Tim in the South

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  1. In all my years of service, I've never heard of any one of my colleagues going off sick for something so trivial as a hangover. If this is unique to Essex - which of course it may or may not be - then the Chief needs to look at what is happening within the organisation to create such high sickness records (average of 12 days of sick for each officer).
  2. I agree with Traffic Bob. My concern is that we are expected to be fit, yet, they will not provide us with any facilities to help us maintain a decent standard of fitness. I'm happy to go to a gym (I do anyway), but it would be at least an added incentive if access to a gym was provided. I know that in some areas, there are schemes to give us a slight reduction in membership of gyms, but in my own area, the nearest 'discounted' gym is about 30 miles away. It's just my opinion, but if a gym was provided, we would all most likely use it, and our standard of fitness would actually overall improve considerably. But then, I may be asking for a canteen next if they provided us with a gym or gym facilities.
  3. If you don't apply / join, you may, in 10-15 years time, be thinking "I wish I had .... ". Whilst some of my fellow Officers may be advising against joining, the NHS isn't perfect either. But then, which job is? Yes, we are having a rough time, which isn't likely to get better, but I still think it's the best job - and I am proud to call myself a police officer. Would I swap and join another profession? I could easily do that, and earn a massive salary - but my job is far too enjoyable (even given the crazy stuff we have to tolerate). What do you have to lose? Go for it. Even if you join when you're 35-40, spend at least 5-10 years in uniform, you'd still have another significant period of time to move into a CID role. My advice again, is when you join, complete the two years, but then gain considerable experience in uniform before moving into CID. It makes the transition into CID much easier. In my own area, we have a staged progression before someone becomes a detective - which is both supportive and a massive learning curve. I can only talk about my own force - if you show ability, ambition, commitment, enthusiasm, competence, then you have a range of options open to you - and we are superb at offering training opportunities - too many to list here. To be promoted in my force is extremely tough - we just don't have the openings any more. I really don't know the answer to the salary - but my interpretation so far, is that you're right, it will take about 7 years to reach the maximum salary for a constable (compared with the current 10 years). We do make a difference to people's lives: when you dealing with many victims (and witnesses), they are appreciative, and will help in whatever way they can. Sure, we do have to deal with others that are not. We are here to uphold the law, so even if it is someone who we would never, ever in a million years associate with, if they become a victim, we deal with it, and try to do so in the same way that we would if it was a relative or a good friend. You may find that where you consider applying for insist on you being a special first. Many (I know mine does) insist on having passed the course (I forget the name of it - but it's a policing course, which I'm sure someone will give the correct title for). I think in many forces now, unless you've passed the course, been a special or PCSO, it's often impossible to get any further. By being a special you do get to sample what we actually do (yes, there are still many things you won't do - such as interviewing). That way you really will be able to see for yourself if it is the job for you - or if you're rather remain in the health care profession. Hope this helps.
  4. The judge will not be impressed. Indeed, he may be sufficiently annoyed at the tremendous waste of resources, that he will send you to prison. It's quite rare that a witness fails to turn up after being summonsed - and those who just won't turn up, in my experience, end up in the cells.
  5. It depends what role you do. Until recently, uniformed officers (where I work) had relatively little overtime available due to finances. If in a suit, then overtime is expected without any consultation and you may end up working many, many extra hours a month. It's wise to always assume that there will be NO overtime, so when you get some, it'll be gratefully received.
  6. I'm astonished at that way of recruiting potential detectives. In my area, most people who go into CID have been in uniform for at least 5 years or more. Sounds like your CID is a good place to work - never working past 2200 ... any vacancies?
  7. Try working in my team. Most of us average about 30 to 40 hours overtime a month. I can't remember in the last 6 months when I went off 'on time'. But as someone else wrote, it does vary from force to force.
  8. Many of us go through periods when we wonder if it's worth it, and consider changing careers. There are vacancies in other careers - despite what the media may claim. Not always easy to obtain though. Moving department may be useful for your motivation / morale, but I suspect it won't be a permanent improvement. Maybe you need to work at different areas of your life to make work seem slightly less important, and then you'll be able to cope with the situation you face yourself in. We do face a real tough time not just now, but in the next few years, as even more money will be removed from the budgets. But this is more than a job. It's a way of life. The friendships gained at work are powerful - and most other jobs don't have such strength (I'm thinking of the private sector). A few good cases, where the suspect is convicted and sent to prison always lightens my mood. Good luck - and thanks for sharing your feelings with us.
  9. I'm pleased that Jackie Bowen is not my Fed Rep.
  10. I'm not a Surrey officer - so will only give my view of how things happen in my force. You made a statement (not pressed charges). Were any suspects arrested? Did you provide written consent to the Police to contact the hospital where you were treated? Apart from CCTV, were there any other witnesses? Did you know the male who attacked you? A case such as this, if suspects were arrested and interviewed, requires the Crown Prosecution Service to make the decision (if it was GBH). CPS will be the ones who authorise a charge to be made. If it was ABH, we can do that. CCTV - the incident may not have been of sufficient quality to show the incident properly or the offenders. Sometimes the quality of the CCTV is so poor that we can not make out what happened, or identify the offender. As it has been three years since the incident, and I assume the offender was not charged with any offence relating to the assault on you, the case will have been closed. In my force, where a suspect has not been charged "no further action", we dispose of the CCTV and paperwork. We simply do not have sufficient storage facilities to keep all the tapes, paperwork, CCTV etc for every incident that happens. Surrey Police may have a similar policy. You should have been given the name of the officer investigating - so it may be worthwhile contacting that officer for an update.
  11. We used to have the similar system (6 on, 4 off), but that changed some time ago. It's changed again, and now we have fewer rest days. Most of us liked the 6 on, 4 off (even if it did mean some weeks, the shift start / finish times changed). Most of the time we are single crewed, including at times with a prisoner in the vehicle. It's always good to be double crewed, because there's nothing more annoying than paying attention to the traffic and something comes on the radio, that really ought to be written down (such as a postcode etc). With a second person in the car, it would be luxury for us! I should add, that I'm not in the Met. I'd love to have rail concessions for £21 a month - wonder if we can have that too?
  12. I can't imagine NOT paying into the scheme. When it's time for me to retire, I will need all the money possible to have a really good quality of life. Not paying into this scheme, would mean lots more disposable income now - but at retirement? Only state pension. Not enough. I appreciate for some, who join now, it may mean a reduction in income - but you know that before you join. Some things in line you just have to take for granted - paying into a pension fund is one. It may not be as good as it used to be - but the amount you pay monthly will be nothing compared to how much you get in pension at retirement.
  13. Yes, Tony Lloyd used to be an MP for the area - and was for a lengthy period of time. He was well liked and well respected - by the constituents. He lives in the area, and his children went to school in the area - and was an exceptional MP. Tony is one of the most approachable and honest people I've ever encountered. I was absolutely delighted when he was elected for this post. He will do the very best he can. For local Police Officers in Greater Manchester - you have one of the best in your new PCC. I wish I had someone like Tony for my PCC.
  14. It may be wise for you to think of another career, as with the other posters, I suspect that although there is nothing to prevent you from applying, when it comes to the vetting stage, you may find that your application is terminated. Again, entering and being successful in another career for the next 10 years or so, we may find that recruitment is fully open, and a force may consider your application. If you're not a US citizen, I believe that to become a police officer in the US, you have to be a US citizen. Given your previous criminal history, you may find that you can't obtain the relevant visas to live and work in the US, let alone to become a US citizen. BUT - if you don't try, you'll never know. You may then spend the rest of your life wondering "if only ... ". What do you have to lose? What's the worst thing that can happen? You spend a lot of time and energy in your application, and then receive a rejection letter.
  15. In my force, new recruits are issued with boots, although that may not be the same anywhere else. I've never worn boots, only ever shoes. Many of my colleagues wear boots, others wear shoes. I think it's really personal preference. This is for normal, everyday policing.