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  1. Stabbed policeman out of intensive care

    Sorry for late response! been doing crazy shifts at the moment. Like in the UK, New Zealand's police force is not routinely armed. We have an Armed Offenders Squad (AOS) which is our armed police division. I saw one carrying an M16 the other day so I am guessing they are not to be messed around with! Up until very recently our officers wore very little (if any) armour protection either. This is about to change and the commissioners office has been trying to roll out new 'stab resistant' vests for all officers. The roll out hasn't gone so well and the number of officers getting stabbed on duty is increasing. An officer in Wellington was stabbed last week. He wasn't wearing a vest because he was too tall for the one allocated to him. This has been the case for many frontline officers in New Zealand. The roll out has been delayed many times and frontline staff are now thinking their safety is being put at risk for the sake of a few dollars being spent on a few vests being properly tailor to suit the role they are expected to do. The commissioners office deny this and say the delay is because they dont want to get 'one size fits all' vests for everyone and are just trying to secure a supplier who can deliver to the needs of the New Zealand Police Force. Hopefully they will start issuing them soon before any more NZ officers are hurt on duty.
  2. Police presence keeps Wanganui quiet Police say the extra staff they have on the streets of Wanganui kept a lid on any potential trouble today following the shooting of a two-year-old child last Saturday night. Police have been on high alert in the city since Jhia Harmony Te Tua died from a bullet in the chest at her suburban Gonville home during a gang-related driveby shooting. Her father was a member of Black Power and four Mongrel Mob members are in custody charged with offences, which lead up to the shooting last Saturday night. Today Wanganui area commander Inspector Duncan MacLeod said it had been quiet in the city during the past 24 hours. Staff involved in the investigation into Baby Jhia's death had been executing search warrants and following up on the numerous calls of information still flooding in, as well as completing door-to-door inquiries which had been underway since last Saturday night. Inquiry head Detective Senior Sergeant Chris Bensemann said police were appealing for sightings of a number of vehicles - possibly up to five - which travelled in convoy about the Castlecliff and Gonville areas at various times last Saturday evening. The vehicles included some already seized by police - a dark grey Mitsubishi Galant (XI7794), a White Ford Falcon (SL7325) and a black and grey Nissan Safari (XW8646). "The focus is still around locating and speaking with witnesses; examining the various scenes where key evidence has been located with the assistance of ESR scientists and specialist search teams; as well as analysing and prioritising the huge number of calls still being received at the inquiry headquarters from members of the Wanganui community," Mr Bensemana said. "This is a complex inquiry with lots going on and each area is integral to the other. "The jigsaw is slowly coming together", he said. New Zealand Press Association
  3. A two-year-old baby girl has been shot dead in a gang-related drive-by shooting in Wanganui. Police said the incident happened shortly after 10pm last night and was believed to be "between Black power members". Inspector Mike Coleman of police central communications said details were sketchy, but the baby was understood to be inside a gang address on Puriri Street. St John's Ambulance said the little girl was dead when its staff arrived and no one else was injured in the incident. Outraged Wanganui mayor Michael Laws said the death of an innocent child in what appeared to be the latest gang clash was "what we all feared". "If this is as it appeared and someone innocent has been hurt as a consequence of gang action, the whole country needs to start having a look." A local spoken to by the Sunday Star-Times said police had cordoned off both ends of Puriri Street and groups of youths were hanging around each end. He said the youths threw bottles at a TV cameraman and photographers. "The street is like Zulu dawn." Laws said he would be seeking a briefing from the area's police commander first thing today. He said Puriri St, a street which headed towards the seaside suburb of Castlecliff, had not been previously associated with gang-related incidents. Neither had Black Power been involved in the worst clashes in the city, which had been between Mongrel Mob and Hell's Angels factions. A woman who lived in Puriri St said the house had been rented to Black Power about 18 months ago, but there had been no obvious incidents in that time. Earlier this year, Laws tried to ban gang regalia in the city after figures showed public gang clashes in Wanganui had increased from 11 brawls in 2004 to 48 in 2006. Wanganui District Council and National MP Chester Borrows had developed an "anti-gang regalia local bill" which would give police the power to enforce a ban on gang patches and colours in Wanganui's CBD and other public places. GREG MEYLAN - Sunday Star Times (New Zealand)
  4. Differences between the UK and the US?

    Light, imho (when I was there at least). Same as over here but I dont really want to get into that. But like I say, I am a liberal and like to see rehabilitation by any means on the offenders side whilst the victims are satisfied with the result. With the amount of reoffending that goes on here, in the UK and the US I have to question the methods employed when punishing criminals.
  5. Differences between the UK and the US?

    Firstly I should make it clear from the start that I am a liberal member of the police family - I was when I was working for the UK police forces and I am the same working over here. While I am relatively young I am now about to come up to 5 years working for the police - most of that working with police officers on the beat and at this point working with on some very ugly cases (New Zealand can be just as dangerous as London) therefore I feel do have enough knowledge to comment on this particular comment. During my time in England I must admit I was disappointed a number of times when I saw cases get weak sentences - GBH's and sex offences in particular - which has also extended to some cases I have been involved with here. However I also get a little anxious when I see disproportionately heavy sentences handed down. I am not saying that the victim in the original post doesn't deserve justice but 4 years in prison for knocking someone out? Without knowing the finer points of the case I feel that is a little harsh when you see child sex offenders in America getting sentenced to 30 days in prison for prolonged (albeit historic), sustained and systematic offences. The guy got knocked out once and probably made a full recovery. The child sex victim would have endured the abuse for years. The Assualt offender deserves to be punished but to lock him away at tax payers expense for that amount of time - if I were paying American taxes I would rather spend the money putting the sex offender away for at least 4 years and give 30 days to the assault offender. I would happily agree that sentencing needs to be reviewed in the UK sometime soon, however I personally would be extremely cautious of jumping on the American band-wagon and adopt their sentencing methods. I am yet to be convinced that throwing everyone in prison for a long time cuts crime rates.
  6. Some of you might know of this case, many of you will not. Nearly every New Zealander knows about it as it is one of New Zealands biggest serial killings, certainally in the 90's. The decision of the privy council in this case could have quite noticable impact on the New Zealand Justice system and its newly formed Court of Appeal. Hopefully the truth has finally be settled, lessions have been learnt and New Zealand can finally close this chapter of it's judicial system The Press (Christchurch) 11-05-2007 Bain could be freed next week David Bain could be released from prison early next week after the Privy Council quashed his murder convictions. Bain, who was convicted in May 1995 for the murder of five family members, had his convictions quashed yesterday by Britain's Privy Council, which ruled a substantial miscarriage of justice had taken place. It ordered that a retrial be ordered. His lawyer, Michael Reed QC, told NZPA it was unlikely Bain's bail application would be heard today, given the amount of preparation needed. "We don't know when the bail (application) will be heard. I imagine it will be Monday or Tuesday. I don't think it will be today. "We have got to get some papers ready, we have got to find a judge," Mr Reed said. He said the application would be heard in either Christchurch or Dunedin court. The hope was Bain would be brought to the court to appear at his bail hearing and after signing his bail bond, he would walk free. Bain would stay in Christchurch Men's Prison until then. Mr Reed said Bain would probably initially live with longtime supporter and campaigner Joe Karam in Auckland. "The guy has got to get himself sorted out. He has never even seen or heard of internet," Mr Reed said. David Bain was "dumbfounded" and overcome last night to hear he had won a sensational victory in his 13-year campaign to clear his name in the murders of five members of his family Five Law Lords in London, sitting on what is expected to be the last New Zealand case to appear before the Privy Council, quashed Bain's convictions for murdering his parents, sisters, and brother in Dunedin in 1994. The Privy Council ordered that Bain be given a new trial. Bain, however, will remain in Christchurch Men's Prison at Paparua, now as a remand prisoner. His supporters said he would seek bail. The Privy Council concluded that 'in the very unusual circumstances of this case, a substantial miscarriage of justice has actually occurred". Bain campaigner Joe Karam said the comment about a substantial miscarriage of justice backed his own position. "I've been saying that for 11 years so from a personal point of view it's gratifying that the knockers of the David Bain supporters and me personally might take a back seat," Karam said. "Mostly this is great for David. His courage has been what's kept us going and it's brought some high-powered lawyers on the scene." Karam said he contacted Bain in Paparua Prison and broke the news to him. "He hadn't heard until I called. He was too dumbfounded and in a state of shock to comment," he said. "To be honest, he was too overcome. He said 'Thank you' and didn't know what else to say. I'm sure he'll be delighted when it sinks in. "After (13) years, it's pretty hard to have an instant reaction. I'd say it was extraordinarily emotional – this is his life, after all," Karam said. "He's now officially a remand prisoner and we'll be applying for bail as soon as we can." Christina Gibb, another long-time Bain supporter, said: "At last this is a just result. I think that is good because all the new evidence will be properly put before a jury." She had been trying not to expect any particular result and she would take the same attitude to the retrial. Gibb said the result was a "tribute" to Karam and Michael Reed, QC, Bain's lawyer before the Privy Council. The ruling is a step towards vindication for Bain, now 35, and his team of supporters – led by former All Black Karam – who have battled through every possible legal and public avenue to show that the real murderer was his father, Robin Bain, who then turned the gun on himself. However, the decision is a bitter blow to the Dunedin detectives who had successfully defended their investigation at trial and in the appeal courts, at an independent police inquiry, and in public opinion as the case was the subject of two books, and television and newspaper probes. Police last night said they would examine the detail of the Privy Council decision. "When we have properly considered the decision we expect to work with Crown Law and the Dunedin Crown Solicitor to determine the process to be adopted from here", said Detective Superintendent Malcolm Burgess. Burgess said that as the matter was now back before the courts it was sub judice and he was unable to comment on the specifics of the case or the issues raised on appeal. Detective Senior Sergeant Kallum Croudis, one of the Dunedin detectives who investigated the murder in 1994, said there were definitely some logistical issues with mounting another trial. People involved had spread to different parts of the world and their recollections would distanced by time. He said it would be "unprofessional of me to tell you how I really feel". Reed, however, said that while he was still waiting for the official word, the news was "absolutely fantastic". "If we have been granted a retrial, then it's a case of justice at last, but we really want to have it confirmed." Residents on Every Street, the site of the former Bain property, were last night split 50-50 on Bain's guilt or innocence. One resident, who lives directly across the road from the former Bain property, said: "I believe in the New Zealand justice system, so I believe he is guilty." Another resident, Troy Day, 20, said he believed Bain was innocent. "I believe the old man (Robin Bain) did it (comitted the killings)," he said. Kimberley Romeril said Bain had fought so long and with a lot of backing, so she thought he was innocent. Bain's claim is that his father was about to be exposed for having an incestous affair with his teenage daughters. He maintains that while David Bain was out doing his morning newspaper run early on June 20, 1994, Robin Bain murdered his daughters, along with his estranged wife Margaret and son Stephen, before turning the gun on himself. The Privy Council decision contradicts the Court of Appeal in New Zealand, which in 2003 ruled that the new evidence that prompted a reassessment of the conviction was not enough to outweigh evidence that David Bain was guilty. The case presented at the Privy Council included what Karam called "sensational" new evidence, never aired before the London hearing, that showed the .22 rifle used in the killings had misfired before the shot that killed Robin Bain. He said the evidence was in scientific notes that were not presented at the original trial and supported the murder-suicide theory. The case has become one of New Zealand's most contentious and long-running, outlasting even the eight-year battle before Arthur Allan Thomas overturned his convictions for murdering Harvey and Jeanette Crewe in 1970. Besides the trial, appeals, inquiries and vice-regal applications, Karam had been brought before the court and fined $450 for breaching a High Court suppression order of a name cited in his book. However, Karam also successfully fought a defamation claim taken against him by two of the Dunedin detectives who featured in the book. United Future leader Peter Dunne said the case raised questions about the way criminal trials were conducted in New Zealand and called for the Law Commission to review the rules of evidence and court procedures. "I am concerned that the Privy Council has identified serious deficiencies in the way evidence is presented to New Zealand courts in cases of this type," he said in a statement. "The layperson's presumption is that all relevant material is put before the court so that the jury of one's peers can decide guilt or innocence." Mr Dunne said that the reality was that the process was far more selective and the Bain case was not isolated. "In the last decade alone similar allegations have swirled around such major cases as the Ellis case, the Haig case, the Dougherty case, the Watson case, and aspects of the recent police rape trials – not to mention the Thomas case in the 1970s." Link to online story Bain case - the twists and turns along the way Chronology of Bain's legal battle
  7. 11-05-2007 New Zealand Press Association Stabbed policeman out of intensive care The Hamilton policeman stabbed four times in the back and shoulder yesterday is making good progress and is out of intensive care in Waikato Hospital. Acting Sergeant Andrew Grice, 34, was stabbed at a Fairfield house in Hamilton about 6.30pm on Wednesday when he was called to a domestic incident. He had a punctured lung and injuries to his shoulder, back and arm. Today he was in a stable condition in a ward at the hospital after being moved out of the hospital's high dependency ward. The 31-year-old man alleged to have stabbed him appeared in Hamilton District Court yesterday charged with attempted murder. He was remanded in custody during the hearing which was closed to the media and the public and held in a court cell. Judge Russell Callander remanded the man in custody without plea for a psychiatric assessment. The man also faced charges of escaping custody and breaching a protection order. He will reappear in court on May 24. http://www.stuff.co.nz/4055992a11.html
  8. Tell Us What Your Thoughts Are Folks !

    I also like it It may take me a little while to get the grips of it properly, us folk down south are a simple breed - but looks nice, nice new features and most importantly more sturdy than the old pphp board. May it rest in peace. From your lovingly friend mod.
  9. Ex-MI5 boss raps 'useless' ID cards

    No one has convinced me yet...
  10. corporal punishment

    I see this topic is going well :roll: The rubbish bin creeps ever closer...
  11. Prostitute Tolerance Zones

    I dont know how to answer any of your reply because I actually already have in my original post. I have absolutely no idea where you are going with this. Yes, she was. It is not hard to think of how - The prostitutes from the illegal brothels sick of the forced soliciting and beatings go to the legal brothels. If the legal brothels start to kick up a fuss the crown simply goes and closes it down. It's not perfect however considering you were in the industry for 5 years you dont seem to have an answer either. I do apologise, I never intended to suggest you had an easy ride at all, it was just the perception I got from your posts.
  12. Prostitute Tolerance Zones

    I am going to add my 2p worth here…because I can! I had a very interesting conversation with a colleague in the canteen on Friday where we were debating the issue of privatising the police force (maybe for another thread!). The one thing I stumped him on was the issue of prostitution and whether or not legalisation should be in place to protect people in this trade and what were the pros and cons of it all (also debated if a private or public system would do a better job, again probably for another thread!) The issue of prostitution is a sensitive and emotive one in which you usually find two parties on completely different sides – with the undecided staying well out of the way which is what is sort of happening here. In my view, prostitution needs to be decriminalised at the very least. Obviously I can not say this on experience because I never have been one but when I was living back home in New Zealand I shared a flat with a prostitute who worked in an illegal brothel. I would say that we became good friends and she talked about her decision to go into the trade often with me. For her it was never an issue about drugs, she didn’t do them she wanted money to go to South America for a few years however she got into the wrong brothel and things went very wrong for her. She was beaten, abused and on many occasions had all the money she had earned on that particular night taken away from her leaving her with nothing. If prostitution was decriminalised at that time then she could have been financially, emotionally and to an extent physically protected from the people who ran the brothel through Health and Safety and Employment Laws. As it happened on the 25th of June 2003, New Zealand by a 60 to 59 vote in parliament – one of the slimiest margins in the countries history – decimalised the act of prostitution paving the era of legalised brothels in the country. The act of prostitution in itself remained as legal as it always was in the country however the bans on brothels (as mentioned before) and procuring were removed. Prostitution Bill Passes with one vote My friend is no longer in the industry however was still working when the law was passed and said to me that it was an utter relief as while she was receiving less money, she felt more protected than she ever did. The WNC (Woman’s National Commission) stated in their conference in September 2003 that decriminalising prostitution had not been proven helpful, while stating that the reason why young women turn to prostitution was because of the lack of opportunities in Europe and go on to say that there is no acceptable face of the sex trade industry. In this same conference they discussed the issue of decriminalisation and came to the conclusion that women were only prostitutes because it was a means to an end and suggested that legalising the trade would cause an increase in trafficking and child prostitution. They also suggest that legalisation would only make women into commodities which was something they could not accept. They did however acknowledge that decriminalisation could ease drug addiction and violence against women. WNC Belfast Conference – Sept 2003 I found this very hard to take on board as there is little in the way of evidence. I have searched all over to see if I could get some figures on child prostitution and trafficking in New Zealand to see what effects legalising this trade has had on the first two points mentioned over the last two years and I can only come up with the conclusion that child prostitution and the trafficking of women have not gone up. It never was a big issue in New Zealand before hand mind you; however the conference stated that it found that there was a rise in all 13 countries which have legalised the trade of these two very serious possible effects of legislation. The means to an end argument may very well be valid in many cases however there are also several ‘career’ prostitutes out there who in my view have the right to legal protection like any other worker. During the debate in New Zealand several of these career prostitutes came to New Zealand from all over the world to give submissions to parliament. The thing that they were most concerned was the thought that woman would become objects to have at the right price. A commodity. The libertarian in me rubbishes this concern immediately because as the trade is now legal, they have a choice to do this. I_B, you mentioned that in your own experience only a minority of sex workers have the experience that my friend had 3 or 4 years ago, that being the case it is still out there and something should be done about it – without going out yourself to settle the score and do something illegal! With legalisation comes protection – legally, professionally, emotionally and physically – which in turn takes the burden off Police resources which are then able to be invested into projects that can deal with some of the more darker elements of this trade (child trafficking/prostitution etc.) Before I actually got to know someone who was a prostitute I never had the time of day for them and even to this day I would never solicit the services of a vice girl. I feel it is something that needs to be addressed and looked into more carefully to see where the stigmas are really attached and work out which is the best way to deal with them. I am all for prostitute tolerance zones, legalisation etc but NOT at the expense of an increase in serious crime especially against children but when in the end I believe that once you are a healthy 16/17 year old you are old enough and dumb enough to make your own decisions about life and where exactly you want to go in life (not want you want to be, where you want to go and what sort of person you’d like to be). Therefore if you want to be a prostitute and it is in a safe, clean, comfortable environment with the consent of all parties then that’s their choice, as long as the prostitute fully understands what they are doing I have no issue. I am also against having prostitutes on the street entirely as it is not an entirely inspiring thing for young people and people in general to see. I am still going to look for info about legalisation causing an increase in drugs, trafficking and child abuse. When I find this and its crediable, I will take back pretty much all of what I have written. POST SCRIPT NOTE As I am a moderator on this site I want to make it absolutely clear that this post does not reflect the feelings of the ukpoliceonline.co.uk staff or the views and views and opinions of any Police Force. They are entirely my own opinion and any comments or concerns relating to this post must be directed at me unless you have a complaint you wish to lodge with the Administrator.
  13. So what do you do?

    Yeah, I can understand that. How long are you expecting to wait? Not really applicable for me as I have no desire to get into a uniform. Also I have a screwed knee from being hit by no less than 2 cars which would probably prevent me joining even if I did!
  14. So what do you do?

    I dont know if this is still the case, but last I looked the Mets SOCOs were called Assistant Forensic Practitioners :shock: I realise the timeframe which has past but... where abouts are you wanting to work? have you tried www.forensic-training.co.uk ? usually not much on there but it sometimes has a few jobs listed. that or www.fss.org.uk
  15. Hello people! Forumhost has kindly created this forum for those of you (myself included) who are not Police Officers but still make a valued contribution to the Police Family. Whether you are a DDO, Station Reception Officer, Scene of Crime Officer, Communication Officer, work in the dungeons of HR like myself or any other support role within the force you can use this forum to discuss the issues of being part of the support team. So Welcome! Introduce yourself