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  1. Moopheus man you have to be careful what you're saying. I'll be honest pal it's not the first time I've cringed at something that you have written. I purposely and carefully constructed my responses on this thread so that I was sure you would take it as it was meant. This ex-army mantra does not come across well...you have to remove it or at least reel it in. We are sympathetic to your situation hence why I and others have responded. This forum is designed to help and support and that's what you have received. People get pretty angry when stuff like this happens. Also, police recruitment teams are all too aware of these message boards and frankly if they saw stuff like this it would not go down well and would do nothing but support their conclusion for which they have no obligation to justify. Coming online after having a few is zero excuse and sets the completely wrong example. I think I've said enough as has Aero2. Good luck. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  2. Yeah I started in Jan so completed initial training and just out with Tutor Con now. Challenging work and the shifts are tough but it's going well. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  3. I would assume any family connection is relevant regardless of how close you are with your cousin as there is nothing to say you won't be connected in the future. Being prosecuted for dealing drugs and possession of a firearm is a pretty serious crime, never mind being linked to gangs (which is of enormous importance in Merseyside). That coupled with the issue of your wife's dad being in and out of prison has probably sealed your fate I'm afraid. I would also expect location to have little bearing on this as you have access to the same level of information. I think a lot of it comes down to the views of the force vetting officer who will not take any risks whatsoever. They have to be convinced a candidate is of no risk before they sign off. I respect your perseverance, especially when you talk about others getting in after 7 years. But remember that every application is different, obviously, and is treated individually. Without knowing the details of those cases it would be easy to assume that things like this can be overturned. However, this platform Is loaded with posts from candidates who have failed vetting with very few having a successful outcome. My honest thoughts sadly are that the seriousness of the crimes you have mentioned means that you are likely facing a mammoth uphill battle with no positive end result at the top. But, I'd love to be proved wrong for your sake. Good luck. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  4. Mate I get your frustration and hurt I really do. I commend your dedication to not giving up; it's a terrific quality. All I can say is that if this is in relation to a third person with whom you have a connection to (regardless how small or distant) then no amount of past or current experience/roles/responsibilities will change that. Vetting within the military is very different to the police force as is the prison service. The PNC data for one if in the wrong hands would be catastrophic. I'm not for one second putting you within that bracket but the police will not do anything else other than consider the worse case scenario every time a candidate is in this position. Prison service employees have access to basic information on an offender which includes details of crimes committed, however, if you dig deep enough you could probably find that kind of info on Google if you searched for them. The PNC is pretty much the DNA of a person and will be treated as such. It's also the job role consideration such as powers of arrest and prevention. I noticed on another post you mentioned that you were advised that you could apply again in 10 years? I have to assume that if you've been given a timescale like that then the connection must be pretty serious. The fact that you are unable to put your finger on what it is must be horrid (I promise you I understand). NSV do perform specific generic vetting data for a whole host of organisations but individual vetting along with connections and affiliates will be conducted directly by each individual force along with information gathered from other forces based on personal details (for instance info from Lancs if that's where you live or have lived). I don't want to be come across as blunt or insensitive but it may be time to try and move on. I've read a lot of your posts and can see that it's clearly eating you alive mate and if it's something out of your control it will continue to do so until you take control again yourself. I'm pretty sure you don't want to wait ten years to apply again only to be told the same. You summed it up quite well yourself at the end when you said "god forbid I got hold of a police database". But unfortunately yes that's exactly what the issue is. Again, I'm not judging you or pointing the finger but if there is the slightest inkling (regardless of level of known or unknown connection), then no force vetting officer in the land will sign it off. I hope you can appreciate what I'm trying to constructively say. Even after reading this I could still understand if you were to persevere as it's clearly a dream. But sometimes we can also fall in to the mindset of focusing on beating the system when the reality of the role is somewhat different. I'm speaking from personal experience here I promise. I wouldn't want this to happen to you. Good luck. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  5. Advice needed please

    Personally I do not think you should tell your employer. Not because you don't have integrity but because you haven't been offered the job yet. You could tell your employer and then for a number of reasons not be offered the police officer job...what kind of position does that put you in then?! I'm not suggesting you will fail of course but you have to consider it. There is still interview, medical, fitness and of course vetting to overcome just yet. Yes things look like they have moved along quickly so far which is brilliant for you (mine took a year start to finish!) but I would say that completing all of that within less than 3 months is optimistic. You also have to serve your notice which at a guess is 4 weeks? So that takes you to then end of June which is 6 weeks... even less likely. Your employer has no reasonable right to expect to know if you are applying for another job unless of course they are making some sort of considerable financial commitment, but this is only my view. But like you said, you applied after you were given this placement. The integrity issue here would have been to accept it having applied beforehand. But even then it's still somewhat ambiguous in my view. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  6. Vetting

    I could be wrong but I really wouldn't have thought it mattered... it's your partners debt, not yours. Also it's not excessive. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  7. Assessment centre pass mark.

    The maths test counts for about 3% of the overall mark. As long as you can add/divide/subtract/multiply and work out the percentage you'll be ok. You are provided with a calculator. Focus on your role plays and interview competency examples. They carry the most weight along with your ability to communicate effectively. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  8. Assessment centre pass mark.

    It depends on which force you are applying to. I've seen it as high as 60% but as low as 50%. Merseyside is currently 50%. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  9. Failed Vetting - Appeal letter?

    Depending on what it is, you could consider living at a different address to your brother and asking them to reconsider? It may be difficult to get a precise answer though if it in fact a 3rd party. I wish you well though. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  10. Hello! :D

    Giving up teaching holidays for police leave? [emoji33] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  11. Hey!

    Hi! How did you get on with your application? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  12. Hey!

    Good luck. There is plenty of help on these pages as you go through the process. Which force have you applied to? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  13. Changing Application To Another Force.

    It might be worth just speaking to other forces and gauging their opinion. Merseyside wouldn't know about it obviously so you wouldn't be rocking the boat, although I understand your worry. Keep us posted pal, hopefully we'll hear something on final interview this week [emoji106] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  14. Changing Application To Another Force.

    It'll depend on where you're posted as well. If you're North side of Liverpool, maybe Sefton or Knowsley then that's not to bad for your commute. I'd imagine they would base you over that way. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  15. Changing Application To Another Force.

    Hey man. Yeah, I know of someone who transferred their application for one force to another. They passed AC with Lancs but then transferred to Merseyside. That was down to location also. Merseyside were recruiting at the time so I'm guessing whoever you choose to transfer to will have to also be recruiting. In addition, you'll need to check what the AC pass mark is for the force you want to move to. Merseyside's pass was 50% were other forces can be 55 or 60%. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk