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  1. Unless your process is any different to what i went through, the urine test is not a drug test. I was unsupervised whilst providing a sample, my urine was not analysed in a laboratory under controlled sterile conditions. It was not even the Doctor who performed the dip test of my urine, just 1 or the OCC health staff. It was just a general health check same as you can perform at home with urine dip sticks bought from Tesco. Why do you think you get an appointment at a later date specifically for your drug screen, an outside body are employed to conduct this, you have to read a declaration and agree to it, provide photographic ID, your sample is then taken and put in tamper proof packaging, you sign it, the person taking the sample also signs it, it is then sent to an independant testing laboratory where it goes through the testing process, this is conducted under controlled conditions to make sure your sample is not cross contaminated with someone elses and that the samples dont get mixed together.
  2. The urine test is not a drugs test, its just a health check, looks for blood, protein etc etc. You drug test is a later date, if your hair is too short they can take body hair, when i had my drugs test my hair was to short, so they did both my armpits, felt quite freaky having a lady trimming my armpits.
  3. New Recruit Training

    Im due for my drug screen and uniform fit very shortly, can anyone confirm what uniform you are initially issued, are you just measured and fitted on the fitting day and issued your kit closer to your starting date (i would be nice to have your boots to break in) Many thanks
  4. Routine Arming of British Police

    As per usual hindsight is a wonderful thing, if that gunsafe had been double locked as per most of the armourys ive been to these days that incident wouldnt have happened, but whos to say he wouldnt have just used another weapon instead. But if we were to go back to the system of gun safes, surely going down the road of double locking and 2 seperate keyholders negates this happening again, because if it did, you know the slateing the Police would get having already identified it as a problem. On the subject of pistols not being zeroed to an individual, unless you issue Glocks are any different to the ones i use, the rear site is adjustable left and right, they do get knocked about getting in and out of vehicles and can show a significant difference next time at check zero, warranted at short distance this is not going to have any effect, but in my job we have to be able to hit centre mass of torso from 35 meters plus and it does change you point of aim quite a bit at that distance. There is also a comfort factor of your own weapon, you know you cleaned you shot it last, you know you point of aim at a given distance, its one less thing to worry about, there is nought more queer than folk as they say. We have strayed off the original discussion topic a wee bit, but we are both in agreement that more firearms teams are/ will be required.
  5. Routine Arming of British Police

    I am not presently a Police officer, just waiting for my drug screen an uniform fitting and the golden ticket start date. Here are some of the things i see looking from the outside in. No 1. The budget is being cut on a daily basis. So this would cut out all officers being firearms trained due to the purchase of all the extra kit and equipment, weapons, personal kit, vehicles with gun safes etc etc, the extra manpower/ overtime required to backfill shifts with guys/ gals away on continuation training (i assume you have to complete qualification shoots and also check zero your weapons on a regular basis). No 2. Not all will wish to be armed and in my experience some people should not be trusted with a plastic knife let alone a firearm, this has been voiced by others in the forum and is not meant as a slight towards any particular individual. Some people have the aptitude for it some dont. No 3. As commented on somewhere in this discussion thread having weapons distributed around Police stations in gun safes is a drama, Reason, if you were to do this it should not be possible for 1 person only to open this safe, as pointed out above, in the past when weapons were stored in safes a senior officer flipped out and let himself into the safe and used the weapon to commit murder. You will need 2x key holders, 9 times out of 10 when trouble arrives, someone happens to be somewhere else with 1 off the keys. Also i assume your weapons are assigned to you as personal weapons, therefore these are then zeroed to that person. So you couldnt just rock up to a weapons holding station and grab a weapon. Also as has been mentioned the added cost of maintainance SEE POINT 1. I havent conducted any research regarding % increase in incidents requiring support from firearms units, but from what i have read within these forums it is on the increase. Therefore there will be a greater requirement of support from armed response units in the future, as per the norm it will take a serious incident such has just happened with Moat to bring this to the fore or heaven forbid a Police officer responding to an incident being killed for it to become a serious enough incident to warrant a Govt enquiry and for someone to say hey perhaps we need more guys carrying weapons. My personal opinion is you cannot enforce carrying a firearm onto someone, they need to want to do this, as the responsibilty of this is enormous, they must obviously then undergo the training that this responsibilty requires. I am not familiar with what kit and equipment an AR team carries as standard kit as in weapons, i assume pistol and some form of long is carried within the vehicle such as an MP5 or G36. As for people bitching about it being uncomfortable having a pistol in a holster attached to them, trust me you get used to it, try adding 55lb of level 4 body armour 14 rifle mags, an M4 strapped to you, fire retardant flight suits, boots, gloves and a helmet and 18 hour shifts (sorry rant over) As for retention of weapon when rolling around on the floor, there are many holster which have operator friendly locking mechanisms which defeat someone trying to pull your pistol from the holster. So in summary, whether people like it or not it has to be a natural progression of growing the firearms teams to match the increase in incidents, obviously the bean counters will not want to spend the money, so while we are battling for funds to grow the teams it will be the responsibility of i assume the shift commanders to make best use the resource they have, by making sure the teams are strategically positioned around the AO (area of operation, sorry dont know what you call in it the Police)to try and give the shortest possible response time to incidents. Which im sure already happens (i obviously have no insight in to how the teams are controlled), not trying to teach granny how to suck eggs.
  6. New Recruit Training

    Thanks for the info MJA, looking forward to having a head the size of a space hopper.
  7. Can anybody confirm the rates of pay for new recruits, i understand it goes up in increments, but can find out how much you start on and when the increment changes are. Thanks in advance.
  8. Can anyway confirm the length off the new recruit training (for newbies off the street), how long is class room portion, how long with mentor.
  9. Gwent Second interview results

    I can understand your cautious reply.
  10. Gwent Second interview results

    Can you confirm if you were allowed to take any preparation material in for your presentation or is it as per AC all from memory?
  11. Vetting

    I asked the very same question with my local recruitment office Friday. They do an independant vetting.