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MJR1972 last won the day on August 9 2011

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  1. Okay, fair enough, but I do believe you have got as good an answer as you could expect on here. If you feel that the FPN was issued wrongly, then it really shouldnt take a good solicitor long to confirm that. Then you can decide on what action to take. I am guessing that, should a FPN have been issued wrongly, then the PC will have to answer for that. Reckon you should probably seek professional help now. Good luck.
  2. Haha, yes I can see where you'r coming from with that statement. Oh well, it was an interesting topic, albeit a little strange in parts, but I think you did a good job in answering the OP's question, so job done. Edited after reading your detailed reply. Thank for the effort you put in to answer my question sectioned detection.
  3. I think to be fair, you have given as good an answer as the OP is going to get. It is a surprisingly complicated issue, which may require a judge to rule on. As I said before, I personally believe that this is one of those that should be dealt with at civil court. If the OP is bang out of order and causing an obstruction, then let a judge decide on how much in compensation the neighbor deserves. If what the OP writes is correct, I also cant see how a FPN has been issued to him, as you have pointed out, this is much more complicated than a simple your wrong/your right situation. The land he is parked on is private land, he is the owner to some degree. There is obviously some clause which states he cant block it, but if he breaks this clause, I fail to see how it becomes a police matter. If a landlord has tenants who don't pay their rent, the police wouldn't get involved. How is this different ?? Again, even if there is a clause (I'm sure there would be), is it a police or civil matter to pursue ?? I'm thinking civil. Surely a road can not be classed as a highway if it is owned and maintained by a private individual ??
  4. Really ?? All I can see from your contributions are a few words put together which don't really count towards a valid answer. If I'm missing something please let me know.
  5. This topic is very surreal to be honest. I cant quite believe it has been allowed to progress for so long. The OP is well out of order with some of his descriptions of the opposite sex. However, after re-reading this, I still cant find anyone that has answered his question. Is there an offence committed, which could result in a FPN ?? I can only see a civil offence committed, one which the neighbor would have to pursue through the civil courts. Any offence which involves deeds of land and such, is surely not within the scope of criminal law ?? I would say that this is the same sort of offence as a neighbor who overgrows a bush, which ends up blocking a neighbors view etc........ Wouldn't expect the police to start issuing FPN for that !!! Can someone please put us all out of our misery and give a definitive answer. Cheers
  6. Tobbyholland, You live and learn. I certainly never knew you could cause an obstruction whilst on your own property. If that is the case, and I'm not 100% that has been totally confirmed yet, then I'm afraid you are in the wrong on this occasion. Your story portrays you as a 100% innocent party and that your neighbor and the attending police officers are the ones with the problem. I can not accept that as a true reflection of what may or may not have occurred. I suggest you try and resolve any long standing issues you may have with your neighbor, before this escalates into something more serious. Being obnoxious to the police (I make this assumption based on what you have written on here about the WPC's, which is not only offensive to them, but also to any other females reading this post), isnt going to do you any favors. I am ust giving you my unbiased opinion, as I have no issue with you at all.
  7. A very honest response Anna, and I agree with all you have said. I still can't see a justifiable reason to strike though, I can see the reason you give, but not a reason that has substance and aim other than to annoy the government. I don't believe you can annoy the government, they are all so far removed from everyday life, that I doubt most of them either know what a starting salary for a PC is. Imagine this also, if the police do go on strike, think of the floodgates that will open, I can just see everyone else lining up to strike, nurses, firemen again, customs etc.... This whole country comes to a standstill, and it's ordinary people like you and me who suffer. The dollies will still get their benefits, everyone else still have jobs to get to and mortgages to pay. I need more of a reasoned argument towards striking rights. (sorry if that sounds a bit pompous). There needs to be a goal and an achievable end, I'm not sure the government would ever deal with the Police. It would set a precedent that the government would be very unlikely be able to control in any future dispute. the police are such a powerful organisation, striking really would make you an invincible force. There would be a penalty to pay though, and that would be public support. Public support in the police really is a commodity which can not be underestimated. I think more realistic is your senior management and fed working together to try and convince the government of it's failings towards you. Can a police officer refuse to do overtime ?? Look, I don't pretend to know the intricacies of police life, so I might be totally wrong in thinking pressure can be applied by senior management and the fed.
  8. I've obviously been away for 24 hours and a lot has been said. Firstly, I didn't want to specifically compare the Police terms of Service with the Armed Forces terms of Service, I don't want to come across any more than I already do that there are similarities in our ToS, allowances etc.... I just think that sometimes on here, credibility is important when weighing into emotive posts where serving police officers are discussing important issues. I was just trying to give my opinion some credibility. However, Tango Oscar has certainly raised quite a few points which although I was fully aware of, I didn't want to bring them up. So seeing as he has brought some of them up, I will ask a couple of questions. I am only here for some discussion and NOT a pissing contest, don't assume that because I question an aspect of your ToS, that I am in anyway being disrespectful. Firstly, if a member of the Armed Forces, who only gets a basic wage, no overtime ever, (I'm currently doing 7 days a week/avg 16 hour days), can be called upon to put their lives on the line, has no job description as such ( much like a police officers)(example fire strike cover, I never signed up to be a fireman), doesn't have a job contract as such.......if they can be made redundant, and this has happened to front line soldiers in recent past, then why do you feel that as Police Officers, you should be ring fenced from this ? Surely, HM Gov is just bringing you in line with other agencies ?? Now just because I'm asking the question, doesn't mean I want to see you made redundant, for what it's worth I believe neither of the 2 Services should face redundancies. The thought of putting your life on the line and then receiving an envelope saying you are no longer required is sickening IMO. I believe natural wastage, no offer of extended service etc, should be the way forward. But nevertheless, my question is still valid. Secondly, I stated in a post last night, that I thought public opinion/support for the police was vital for your day to day duties and as such a strike could severely damage your ability to do your job, and I dare say have a knock on effect to morale (yes I know it's low now, but not generally created by mops resenting you, as might happen if you did strike) Has no one apart from Anna got anything to say on that ? I still don't see the justifiable link from the Windsor report to Police Officers being allowed to Strike. And in case you havnt gathered by now, I believe the Windsor Report stinks, I believe this government is hitting the easiest targets (people who have no way of fighting back), and it makes me sick. I really mean that. People on the dole getting 5.2% increase this year whilst our professions get NOTHING, is wrong on every level. Lastly, please tell me how you think going on strike would help you ? Really, James C answered what I also believe would happen. Not a lot, just mountains of back log for you to catch up on the next day. Your morale is already rock bottom, tereasa may (spit) already knows the contempt you hold her in, and still they push forward with these changes. What makes you think the government will budge ? Excuse any errors, I'm knackered and can't be arsed checking this, lol. It may sound odd to you, me being where I am and finding time to come on here, the fact is, anything to get my mind on something else is all I'm interested after a 16 hour day in this place.
  9. No easy answer, and I think that's why the strike idea gets more attention. It's the desperation of the situation, the idea that there is no other way of being heard or getting what you want. In my experience, acts of desperation rarely end positively. Well good luck to you guys, hope someone in Gov UK PLC, sees some sence soon and starts treating those who give more to UK PLC a little back. I certainly wouldn't begrudge you a decent payrise and lower pension contributions. I know there is more to it than that, but it would be a start.
  10. Okay, think of it this way. The Windsor report, on the whole stinks, I would be furious if I was a cop. Now apart from other cops, families of cops etc, does the gen public give a monkeys ?. Now, let's say you strike, I can not imagine that public support would last very long, media would find every story relating to an incident which was a direct result of police strike action. Police work is massively reliant on public support as opposed to firemem. You need public to talk to you everyday, just so you can carry out the most basic of enquiries, let alone witness statements etc... Are people going to want to help you when they can see you turning your backs on their community ??? I'm not saying that, that is your intention, but that is how it will look, add on the council tax aspect of police contributions and I think it would put the police back years. I may be totally wrong, but it's just how I see it. I thrive on the fact that whilst I'm in a crappy place, I have the support of the British public back home, or at least that's what I tell myself. I honestly dont think I could do this job if public opinion of what I do was reversed.
  11. Thanks Anna. I too can see both sides. But I strongly believe that striking is not the answer. How does creating a more dangerous place become the right thing to do ?. You strike and people will get hurt, criminals will thrive in a lawless environment, even if it's just for 24hrs. I certainly don't want to be called in to cover any police strikes in the future, so it's fair to say I also have a valid input from that aspect of it too. My spark for commenting on this post, was mainly due to a few comments regarding the manner in which you could take alternate strike action, ie. Call in sick etc, I didn't like that so said my peace.
  12. Yes, our Internet access as part of our welfare package is a small luxury we have from time to time. I will tell the next lad who comes in missing a limb that it's not that bad here. If you believe so strongly then do the ultimate stand up and resign. Don't whinge about something which was in place when you signed up. And my main point was not about standing up for yourself, it was the manner in which you do it, and if you think organising a whole shift to call in sick is standing up for yourself, then yes you are acting like children. I agree that all of you that the way you are being treated is wrong, very wrong, you do a fantastic job under immense pressure and high constraints at times, but that has always been the case being a police officer, hasn't it ?? I was just trying to put some credibility to my point of view by comparing our careers. I don't appreciate people who know nothing of what I do or face at times, giving me their twopence worth. Wasn't meant as a pissing contest.
  13. I agree totally with everything that James C has to say. You signed up for a job that expressly came with a non-striking clause. As a Servicemen I too am not allowed to strike, and believe me we are getting shafted as much as the Police are. We don't have a fed to fight our case and don't get overtime and blah blah blah......... I have never in my 15 years, ever, heard a fellow Serviceman whinge about going on strike. It is one of the things that makes us better from the ordinary whinging chavvy civvie. We sign up to do a job that means striking could bring the country to a dangerous standstill and rightly so we should not be allowed to strike. We should be allowed to put our papers in to leave, and last time I looked that option is still available to all of us. I have to give 12 months notice to quit, just saying !!! All this talk of calling in sick and doing this and doing that, you sound like a bunch of MacDonalds employees who havnt had their gold star for the week. Please don't come back with any comments about the police being special and doing a dangerous job, I know you are and I truly respect the dangers, but I do feel I can comment because I am typing this whilst sat in a crappy tent in 40 deg heat in the Middle East, you work out where I am. Times are crap and I can't see them getting any better any time soon, I love my job, but am seriously starting to consider my options due to my diminishing respect for the MP's who demand more from me and are cutting the Armed Forces to bits. But I have never, even for one second, sat here and thought to myself, I want to strike. It sounds to me too much like stamping your feet to get heard. Very few times does it work, and even when on the face of it, it seems like the worker has won, they will still lose out in the long term. Be proud of the fact that you are too special and important to be allowed to strike.
  14. R.I.P Officer
  15. Very interesting link, but thought it came across as a little negative towards the lie detector test. Didn't really give any proof towards it's findings. Find it hard to believe that it would be "easy" and "anyone can pass" a lie detector test, as wrote in the article. I'm not suggesting that it should replace police investigation alltogether, but more of an additional tool ?? Thanks for the link though.