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  1. Sigh, no RBM I'm referring to S18 of the firearms act (that's the legislation we've been discussing btw) it would appear that you haven't even read this legislation never mind understand it. So I will leave you to debate with others that have the strength to carry on, in the words of Duncan Bannatyne "I'm out"
  2. The position is that if the police receive a complaint that gives them reasonable suspicion to believe that a person is carrying a firearm with crimal intent having either commited or about to commit an offence then whether a public place or NOT they have the power to detain that person for the purpose of a search and request that they hand over their firearms and ammunition for inspection. I think I have made the police powers in regards to this legislation quite clear and will not be getting into a hypothetical "what if" debate with you.
  3. RBM, section 18 is not limited to a public place so you need to get the idea of this legislation only being applicable in a public place out your head. One of the schedule 2 offences covered by S.18 is Assault, the complaint made against the OP was that he threatened to use guns and dogs against children. This could certainly be considered an assault on the children if they believed the threats to be true. So if the incident was reported immediately and police attended they could enter the OP's home and request he hand over his firearms and ammunition as well as conduct a search of his person. They could not search his premises without a warrant though.
  4. Also just to play devils advocate, as the legislation states commiting or about to commit an offence relevant to that section. I would suggest the complaint the police received would have had to have been made as either the incident just having happened or ongoing at that time. I don't believe they could use this particular section of legislation if the complaint was say a day or 2 old.
  5. RBM, the legislation isnt just stop and search in a public place it allows a constable to require any person whom he has reasonable cause to suspect of having a firearm in a public place OR to be committing or about to commit, ELSEWHERE than in a public place an offence relevant to that section to hand over the firearm and any ammunition for examination as well as search the person and detain them for that purpose. The offences that are relevant to the section a S.18 which covers schedule 2 offences and S.20
  6. I don't think there's any need for the petted lip responses you've just given to answers you didn't like Toby. When you post on a forum such as this and ask questions with vague details of the circumstances all you will ever get is the other users opinions whether you agree with them or not, you will not get facts for your individual circumstances. The main points Znra made were perfectly reasonable and valid:- 1. Talk to the officer in charge of the case 2. Attend you local office and ask advice 3. That asking on a UK wide forum could give you incorrect advice due to local procedure ( heck nevermind the difference between Scotland and England, individual force areas themselves could have different procedures for return of property. I would suggest that should you have a query of this nature in the future that it is better directed to your local office in the first instance where your better guaranteed to get a more accurate answer.
  7. In Scotland the national fitness requirement for men is 9.2 and for women is 7.3 on the bleep. For officers that make it into the force the failure rate during the probation period is relatively low. The op stats only show that there are far too many men and woman that apply to the police without properly preparing themselves physically for the role. Personally I think the 9.2 and 7.3 rate only shows you have basic fitness. If your unable to reach it then your not fit enough for the job. I certainly wouldn't want to wait for some unfit colleague to be unable to run and help me if I'm chasing a suspect or getting a kicking.
  8. Guys you don't do 210 of each exercise on 1 go, it's called 20 to 1. You start at 1 end of the rugby pitch do 20 of a stated exercise, run to a marked point on the pitch do 20 of another exercise then run to the next point and do the same till you get to the end of the rugby pitch, you then run the length of the pitch back to the start and repeat only this time it's 19 of each exercises then you just continue until you do 18, 17, 16 of each all the way till you get to 1. The PT sessions are intense and they really beast you but that's just because they can only fit about 8 sessions into the full 10 weeks so they want to punish you if you don't maintain your fitness yourself. So no need to stress they will only go off at you if your not doing your best. As regards to hooded tops, you can wear them as long as you don't walk about with the good up.
  9. Haha just been looking through some of his posts on there my favourite was the question about what is the 3 most important pieces of kit officers should carry whilst on duty, his answer was taser, knife, airwave in that order. Surely it's a wind up.
  10. As has already been suggested to you phone the police and give them the information you can ask to remain anonymous, or if for whatever reason you think your identity could still be disclosed by doing it that way then phone crimestoppers and report anonymously there. You could even use a public pay phone if that made you more comfortable that way you know your identity can't be traced. It really is that simple.
  11. Moxnil, you might be getting a bit confused because scots power of arrest is different than the rest of the uk. In Scotland we only arrest when there is a sufficiency of evidence available to charge an accused with the offence, we don't arrest on suspicion. Instead we have various legislative powers to detain people in order to interview them and gather additional evidence etc.
  12. The white shirts are just for uniformity so everyone looks the same, you get given a police wiccan top to wear for the warrant card photo.
  13. Yes you tend to share 2 to a room, you get room inspections without your knowledge while you are at classes and formal uniform inspections. The reception is terrible at tulli so I would think you would struggle with the tv plus it would need to be small enough to stow away in your cupboard during the day. A lot of people take laptops or portable DVD players to watch movies.
  14. I wouldn't be carrying a knife over the next few week moxnil, discretions out the window I'm afraid. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-20557290
  15. Moxnil, as I've stated it's what the government and courts deem to be a reasonable excuse that you are not grasping. Let me give you an example. One day I stop and search you for whatever reason. You have a 4" locking blade in your pocket that you take out with you just incase you need it for opening boxes removing loose threads etc which I believe you've stated is a reasonable excuse in your opinion and have no intention of ever using it as a weapon. You as you've said tell me exactly where the knife is and are perfectly cooperative and pleasant passing "the attitude test" as you say. You tell me your reasonable excuse. 15 minutes later I stop and search an 18yr old boy, standing with 3 other boys all wearing track suits and baseball caps. This boy also has a 4" locking blade that he carries on him with the full intention of using it as a weapon if he gets into a fight etc. But he like you also tells me exactly where the knife is. Is cooperative and pleasant passing the attitude test and when questioned about the knife gives the excuse that he carries it just incase he needs to use it for boxes and threads. Who do I charge in this situation? Both have committed an offence, both have passed the attitude test and both have given the same excuse. Do I let both of you walk away with the knifes no further action? - No Do I let you go but charge the boy? How could I justify it? Do I discriminate against the boy because he is young? Because of his fashion sense or because he was with friends? - No I charge both of you treating you equally as that is how the law works. Time and time again the courts have rejected the argument that having an illegal knife in public just incase you need it for something is a reasonable excuse and that is why if you have an illegal knife in your possession and are not going to, are at,or leaving your place of work, are wearing a national dress or have religious reasons then you will be charged with the offence.