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#1 kenworthy

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 11:01 AM

When businessman Steve Coupland fought off a violent burglar breaking into his van, the Crown Prosecution Service insisted he should be charged.

But after a 12-month fight to clear his name, the case has collapsed – because career criminal Matthew Higgins refused to give evidence against him, saying he ‘got what he deserved’.

Mr Coupland, who has never previously been in trouble with the police, had seen his van targeted by thieves on 13 occasions – including the two nights before the incident – and tackled the burglar only after he was attacked with a crowbar.



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Does this thief appear to have more sense then the CPS ?

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 07:15 PM

It wouldn't have got as far as the day of trial without a statement of complaint in the first place. I would suggest Mr Higgins' "I deserved what I got" line possibly only popped into his head very late in the day.

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 08:44 PM

It shouldn't have got as far as a trial even if he did make a complaint. He had every right to defend his property, and as so aptly put, he deserved what he got.

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 12:08 PM

are the CPS that terrible they'd charge a man for simply defending himself :O

there is nothing in that news report that states he went overboard, the burglar tried to attack him with the crowbar and got beaten up, seems fair to me

Edited by Kraxein, 16 October 2011 - 12:10 PM.


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Posted 16 October 2011 - 03:02 PM

are the CPS that terrible they'd charge a man for simply defending himself :O

there is nothing in that news report that states he went overboard, the burglar tried to attack him with the crowbar and got beaten up, seems fair to me


I would say that because it amounted to 'GBH injuries' the CPS would have been too scared to rule it out as self defence and opted for a charge to let the decision sit with a magistrate/jury.

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 11:31 AM

I would say that because it amounted to 'GBH injuries' the CPS would have been too scared to rule it out as self defence and opted for a charge to let the decision sit with a magistrate/jury.

Well quite recently they decided not to prosecute someone who killed a burglar, so clearly some CPS are less scared than others. Or perhaps it depends on the amount of publicity a case gets.

Are the CPS the best people to be deciding on reasonable force cases? Would it perhaps be better to have a small panel of experts who are trained and experienced in dealing with violent people, who have more of an idea of what is necessary when trying to restrain a criminal or defend oneself from them?

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 04:45 PM

But then you could argue that you could have a small panel of 'experts' for every offence, and the defences surrounding that offence. The best people at deciding if it was reasonable self defence are independant witnesses, and failing them existing it can only fall upon the deciding person (CPS or Police).

And surely, the people most 'trained' and 'experienced' in dealing with violent people by far are the Police?

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 09:45 PM

And surely, the people most 'trained' and 'experienced' in dealing with violent people by far are the Police?


I think that was the point Marralass was making, ask us if we think it was proportionate.

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 10:46 PM

I would say that because it amounted to 'GBH injuries' the CPS would have been too scared to rule it out as self defence and opted for a charge to let the decision sit with a magistrate/jury.


Funny how the CPS are usually only too happy to NFA things that victims and the police would rather be decided by the courts.

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 06:35 AM

I think that was the point Marralass was making, ask us if we think it was proportionate.

I wasn't suggesting that police shouldn't be on the panel. I'm suggesting that the normal police investigation takes place, but then the evidence is handed to a small panel that may comprise of people like police or prison service control and restrain instructors, to decide whether it was reasonable force. The panel would either then NFA or send to court with their analysis and testify at court. This would give a more balanced view than just two solicitors arguing it out. There would still be the possibility of the investigating police/CPS NFA'ing the more obvious cases of reasonable force. The panel would just be for the more tricky cases.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 03:42 PM

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