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#21 TangoOscar31

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 10:15 PM

Nothing will change. It would be foolish to expect it to.

#22 Frank Drebin

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 10:45 PM

I believe this stems from a pursuit incident in Hampshire.

 

The last I heard (something that got circulated at work, so would have to double check the details when next in tbh) was that the relevant force that had prosecuted the officer had stated that in future such incidents would be investigated by their serious collision investigation unit in the first instance, and only if they found there was case to answer would it be referred to PSD. Rather than PSD taking charge from the off, as had been the case.

 

That actually seems like a big step in the right direction to me.



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Posted 02 May 2013 - 04:01 AM

I believe this stems from a pursuit incident in Hampshire.

 

The last I heard (something that got circulated at work, so would have to double check the details when next in tbh) was that the relevant force that had prosecuted the officer had stated that in future such incidents would be investigated by their serious collision investigation unit in the first instance, and only if they found there was case to answer would it be referred to PSD. Rather than PSD taking charge from the off, as had been the case.

 

That actually seems like a big step in the right direction to me.

Or they could do that thing which was all the rage for a while and could certainly break some barriers and that is the good old 'multi agency' route or actually by PSD recognising their limitations and involving the other specialist as and when they are needed. It is a narrow and blinkered route for any PSD to believe or behave as if they can operate across all roles without utilising the specialist skills from across their own police force, other forces as well as outside consultants.



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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:11 AM

Or they could do that thing which was all the rage for a while and could certainly break some barriers and that is the good old 'multi agency' route or actually by PSD recognising their limitations and involving the other specialist as and when they are needed. It is a narrow and blinkered route for any PSD to believe or behave as if they can operate across all roles without utilising the specialist skills from across their own police force, other forces as well as outside consultants.

 

 

It'll be a cold day in hell before PSD in my lot concede they can't adequately investigate something, and need help.



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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:38 AM

A judge has today criticised the CPS for bringing a prosecution for dangerous driving against a Police Officer, who injured a 13 year old boy.

 

The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) has said it will “carefully consider” a judge’s comments criticising it for pursuing a dangerous driving prosecution against a police officer.

Greater Manchester Police (GMP) PC Stuart Richmond, whose police van collided with a 13-year-old boy as the officer responded to an emergency call - seriously injuring him - pleaded guilty to careless driving after a judge ordered the case against him for dangerous driving be thrown out.

Judge Peter Davies said: “It’s a great shame that so much time and so much public money has been spent and a young man working hard on his profession should have to endure so much for 18 months. There should be some more objectivity at the CPS.

“There really should be some objectivity. In these days when public money is at a premium, it was not appropriate to put Mr Richmond in this ordeal.”

A CPS spokesman said: “We note the outcome of this case and we will carefully consider the remarks made by His Honour Judge Davies.”

GMP said PC Richmond (30) would now be subject to a misconduct panel.

 



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Posted 02 May 2013 - 01:10 PM

I suppose it would have been nice if someone, somewhere, tried to sort this mess out. But i suppose its not their lives or jobs on the line, so who cares. 



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Posted 02 May 2013 - 02:58 PM

It'll be a cold day in hell before PSD in my lot concede they can't adequately investigate something, and need help.

Agree and that is the whole point of being professional is to know the strengths and weaknesses of 'your' self/department.  Some PSD have produced some real horror stories, alas so have some officers, but that is to be expected when they are basically from the same mould.  Perhaps there is merit in a wholly independent PSD



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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:56 PM

Perhaps there is merit in a wholly independent PSD


You mean like the IPCC? :crazy:

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 02:20 PM

You mean like the IPCC? :crazy:

We could dwell be going onto a wholly different topic here.



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Posted 12 May 2013 - 05:44 PM

I watched the full coverage. I still cant see where the dangerous element against te officer came in to play. 

 

A bit hot through a couple of red lights and I was convinced he was going to take a peek before crossing the tracks but nope.. profession restraint. I could not see how a careless would be upheld here never mind a career ending Dangerous.. 

 

Anyone else have a take on the actual video??



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Posted 12 May 2013 - 06:31 PM

I watched the full coverage. I still cant see where the dangerous element against te officer came in to play. 

 

A bit hot through a couple of red lights and I was convinced he was going to take a peek before crossing the tracks but nope.. profession restraint. I could not see how a careless would be upheld here never mind a career ending Dangerous.. 

 

Anyone else have a take on the actual video??

 

The white van was dangerous, wrong side of the road, rarely slowing, the officers driving was very good. He wasn't prosecuted for anything he did in his vehicle, he was prosecuted because of how the van drove, the trial was actually to decide if he was legally responsible for the dangerous driving of the suspect!

 

That is what is truly scary. I've always accepted if I do something dangerous in my car I will be dealt with and I expect no less. But the fact that I could be prosecuted and convicted because of how someone else drove is scary. The entire time the van driver could have stopped yet we can be held accountable for their decisions???



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Posted 12 May 2013 - 06:36 PM

having just watched it fully again I think the officers driving is actually very good. There are a few points where the speed gets to 62-63 in a built up town area and the subject vehicle begins to increase speed and the officer just maintains his speed and doesn't get drawn into dangerous speeds in that environment. He hangs back, keeps the vehicle in sight and makes progress on it by planning and anticipating rather than using pure speed. It is very easy to get sucked in and get the red mist and suddenly be doing 70mph + in a 30.

 

Well done to the officer for demonstrating his training and driving ability






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