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#1 Moxnil

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 12:21 PM

What are your thoughts on civilians being allowed the following for self-defence

 

 

1. Items that help, but don't actually do any damage i.e rape alarm, marker spray

 

2. Items to injure/incapacitate (Tasers, baton, spray)

 

3. Guns

 

 

I know some would like partial changes, but don't want civilians having particular weapons which is why I split this into 3 parts. I sometimes carry something from the first category, a marker spray. Ideally I would like pepper spray and a gun.

 

And two questions solely for officers. Would you carry your parts of your PPE off duty, and which if so?



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Posted 08 January 2013 - 01:44 PM

Do you mean "members of the public" as opposed to "civilians"?



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Posted 08 January 2013 - 01:52 PM

Do you mean "members of the public" as opposed to "civilians"?

 

Yes.



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Posted 08 January 2013 - 01:54 PM

Thought so.



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Posted 08 January 2013 - 01:59 PM

So what's your thoughts on it then?



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Posted 08 January 2013 - 03:00 PM

I hope this topic isn't going to end up on 12 pages of bickering as per other weapons topics.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 03:09 PM

Me too! Nothing wrong with disagreement, but I'm hoping it will stay civil.


Edited by Moxnil, 08 January 2013 - 03:11 PM.


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 03:54 PM

I hope this topic isn't going to end up on 12 pages of bickering as per other weapons topics.

 

Precisely why I'm staying out of it - been done to death on here.



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Posted 08 January 2013 - 04:02 PM

I hope this topic isn't going to end up on 12 pages of bickering as per other weapons topics.

Spoil sport.  :whistling:



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Posted 08 January 2013 - 04:11 PM

Now now ladies - play nice. :lol:



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Posted 08 January 2013 - 05:16 PM

Is it civilians/MOP's having anything for personal protection that people object to, or just specific weapons?



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Posted 08 January 2013 - 05:33 PM

We can see where this is going. Boring.

#13 Moxnil

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 05:44 PM

I know that a lot of people on the forum are generally against civilians having guns, so maybe I shouldn't have included them. It was really just to see whether it was an objection to the type of weapon, or an objection to them carrying something for protection. Personally I would carry at least a gun and a spray, the reason being that I'd want a less than lethal option as well as a lethal one, in case you encounter a situation that doesn't justify using lethal force. I can't use a gun on someone who's just trying to punch me.


Edited by Moxnil, 08 January 2013 - 05:48 PM.


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 05:51 PM

Moxnil: Is this a hypothetical preference thing for people to discuss what they would/ wouldn't like to see, or do you intend people to refer to legislation and debate the law as it stands?

 

(And to echo Bart: Play nicely everyone... :tongue:)



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Posted 08 January 2013 - 05:59 PM

It's not to discuss the law. We all know what the law is, and it will probably remain the same for a long time. I'm interested in what people personally prefer. In the firearms threads I've posted in the general feeling I get is that most aren't keen on the idea of MOP's having guns. I want to know if it's the weapon they object to, or the idea of a MOP having one in the first place. Is it "I don't want a MOP having a gun, but I don't mind if it's a baton/spray" or just "I don't want a MOP having a weapon at all". And I also wanted some opinions on a third category - Items that can help you but don't actually injure the person, like rape alarms and marker sprays.


Edited by Moxnil, 08 January 2013 - 06:00 PM.


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 07:14 PM

I think that the public at large should be able to have the items they can legally possess and not have the illegal things.
I'm not being sarcastic, that's what I think

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 07:25 PM

I think you maybe misunderstood. I was asking for your opinion i.e what do you personally think should be legal, and what should be illegal?

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 08:06 PM

The things that are currently illegal should remain so. The things that are legal should remain so.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 08:14 PM

Ok, so you don't want any change. Thanks.



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Posted 09 January 2013 - 04:17 PM

What about, if certain people subject to a specific need, training and a licence (with CRB check, references etc.) were allowed to have pepper spray or similar.

For instance, what about social workers who have to visit clients in their homes who may be violent, or may be estranged from a violent partner who may turn up. What about security guards in remote locations. Then there's MP's who have to make themselves accessible to the public but could be subject to attacks because of their policies. There's also witnesses who may be subjected to threats but not severe enough to put them in a protection program and people who have kicked out a violent partner or other family member and may still be attacked by them.

Should there be a system where people can get licensed to carry an incapacitant spray?

Other than this, I think the law is just about right. Although I would amend it to put lock-knives in the category with folding knives. Also, I would put extra restrictions on those with recent criminal records to ban them carrying any knife unless they could show a specific need, such as work.






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