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#181 gripper

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:54 PM

I don't buy that.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 05:03 PM

I don't buy that.

 

You will, just give me time.



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Posted 30 January 2013 - 06:59 PM

No, just in sales for nearly 30 years. I want the answer "yes" and customers often start by saying "no", however at the end of a good sales call I get a "yes".



They are not mutually exclusive.

 

Salesmen are paid to get the customer to agree to buy something he didn't want in the first place.

 

Investigators are paid to gather evidence to be weighed by juries, not to get the suspect to agree he committed the crime in return for a 2.5% discount and a calender at Xmas.



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Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:17 PM

 
Salesmen are paid to get the customer to agree to buy something he didn't want in the first place.
 
Investigators are paid to gather evidence to be weighed by juries, not to get the suspect to agree he committed the crime in return for a 2.5% discount and a calender at Xmas.


It is about the art of questioning and getting the right answers. The investgator "knows" the scrote did it, getting him to admit it via questioning is IMHO an art form, a bit like watching a very good salesman in action.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:25 PM

This is all off topic, my final part in this off topic action - many moons ago, I interviewed a military scrote on tape for theft, this soldier wasn't very bright, I held a piece of paper up whilst talking which simply said "I know it was you" and lo and behold - he coughed in full!!!! Never had one that easy after that. :wink:



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Posted 30 January 2013 - 07:41 PM

It is about the art of questioning and getting the right answers. The investgator "knows" the scrote did it, getting him to admit it via questioning is IMHO an art form, a bit like watching a very good salesman in action.

 

It's probably why my sales career was so short lived, but I have to disagree.

 

Very few interviews are about getting a cough from the suspect. If they're going to confess, they'll do it at the outset.

 

Even when you demonstrate the utter stupidity of part of their tale, they keep going. Interview technique is about letting the suspect give his explanation, challenging it and leaving the jury to consider that explanation in light of the evidence of wrongdoing. In fifteen years of caution interviewing, I had one suspect who switched to a confession after his story was demolished. Usually, they roll over before trial when their lawyer points out just how incriminating their interview is.

 

I had a chap once who refused to admit he controlled a particular phone number even when I seized his sweatshirt during the interview because his phone number was embroidered on it.



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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:43 PM

Interviews vary on who you are questioning. It is part art and part science. If they intend to lie, then the interview locks in their lie.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 10:11 PM

Interviews vary on who you are questioning. It is part art and part science. If they intend to lie, then the interview locks in their lie.

 

Agreed.

 

Once committed to a version of events, they struggle to account for any additional evidence.






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