NEWS:If police want our respect, they must return to the streets
Posted 19 February 2013 - 10:17 AM
Posted 19 February 2013 - 10:23 AM
sadly my axe has been ground so much there is hardly any left
Posted 19 February 2013 - 10:34 AM
Yours, is a sensible axe ;)
No offence taken............
Posted 19 February 2013 - 04:56 PM
Unfortunately this is why I tend to avoid conversations with MOP, including my own family, about general operational matters. They simple don't have a clue and then either start comparing us to the private sector or say things like "I offered a solution just because its outside police powers doesn't mean it isn't a solution".
MOP want officers in the pointy hats wandering around say hello to people and nipping into houses for a cup of tea but then start trying to compare us to a company and organise accordingly. Why do you think the smaller more personal service of a local shop is being taken over by big corporation? Because they want results not and efficiency. Which is what people wanted and that's what they have with the police.
Add to this the fact that whenever police are in the vicinity of a death the IPCC investigate and make judgments which make headlines. We then have to do more with less. The fact social services and NHS also failed doesn't get a mention but media slanted public outrage wins and the Dixon of Dock Green that people want becomes more of a memory.
Do the public complain to their MPs, PCC or CC? No, that's to difficult. They take the time to log onto a police forum spout off and then criticise the answers as being further evidence of police loosing the respect of the public. Which is a shame because I learnt a lot on this site.
As the saying goes, the public gets what the public wants.
I've tried explaining to many on the site the reasons why thing are like they are even when faced with overt insults and not do subtle digs about me and what I do. Over the several years I've been on this site I've seen a general creep towards MOP using it as a place to level criticism at the police rather than use as somewhere where they can get answers and a resolution to their problem. Well I'm tired of it and knowing that any further answers will just be angry rants telling people where to go I'll leave before I do. Which
Absolutely spot on!
Posted 19 February 2013 - 05:59 PM
Be honest now. If the Mops werent here youd be left debating things like which wrist would you put the cuff on first - the left or the right?
Posted 19 February 2013 - 06:28 PM
mostly the right first, sometimes the left. If i can manage both at the same time, but thats way too flashy
Posted 19 February 2013 - 07:43 PM
To touch on another point that cropped up in here about what do you do away with in order to provide more 'visible' officers. Whilst it wouldn't cure the issue by any stretch of the imagination, we as the police are still massively and unnecessarily burdening ourselves with bureaucracy and red tape. It's not all inflicted on us by the HO, etc, a good amount is self generated. Despite cut's, etc, a significant amount of police time and money is still wasted.
For example(s), why do we need case review departments, simply to review case files that have already been reviewed once by the OIC's supervisor, and will be reviewed again by the CPS?. And more to the point, why are fully fit police officers employed in these departments simply because they like a PC's wage, but not the shift pattern or confrontation of operational / sharp end policing?.
Crime recording units. In my lot, for every report of crime I attend I have to ring these people, give them the details of the call and have them decide what the crime will be recorded as. Very often I'm speaking to a civilian member of staff who has a few weeks induction training and that's it, telling me as an 11+ year PC who's actually at the scene, what I will be criming it as, and asking me scripted questions, 'have you done house to house' etc, ("no, didn't think of that",... ). And sometimes I'll get through to one of the actual PC's who works in there (takes me back to the earlier point, why?) and the response I get from them is always 'tell me what to put on and that's fine', in which case why do we have this department? Why can we just not be able to create our own crime reports without this superfluous department. And we attend every report of crime, regardless of any evidential benefit of doing so, so there is a literally phenomenal amount of time and money wasted.
There is a significant difference between these and specialist units containing PC's that perform an actual policing function.
I posted earlier in the thread that foot patrol is inefficient and it is, but so is a number of other things we do. Doing away with things like this would in no way create the sort of resources necessary to achieve the visible and engaging police force that some want (imho, although probably well intended, these are simply unrealistic expectations) it would at least put us as a whole in the position that we were making the effort. The unfortunate, and always predictable, upshot of the current financial climate, is that front line staff are the first and worst impacted, however much the head shed try and crow otherwise.
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