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#1 OFFLINE   GeorgeH

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 02:29 AM

I am getting ready to teach another "class" so individuals can carry a concealed firearm in my home state of Michigan. In the beginning of every class I ask why do they want to carry a firearm and which firearm do they intend to carry and why. The results are always interesting.

 

So, I ask you, if you could carry an off-duty firearm, which firearm would you carry and why? I am also interested what ammunition you would carry and why?



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Posted 25 February 2013 - 04:18 AM

I'm a AFO (armed police officer) and I couldn't think of anything worse than feeling the need to carry one off duty, it's bad enough that we have to have firearms units on duty! So from me it's a no I wouldn't.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 04:19 AM

Glock 19, 9mm in a Galco inside the waistband holster.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 08:55 AM

I am getting ready to teach another "class" so individuals can carry a concealed firearm in my home state of Michigan. In the beginning of every class I ask why do they want to carry a firearm and which firearm do they intend to carry and why. The results are always interesting.

 

So, I ask you, if you could carry an off-duty firearm, which firearm would you carry and why? I am also interested what ammunition you would carry and why?

The UK is very different to the states.  We are not obsessed with guns here. It's not something that is remotely part of our culture. Possession of a Section 1 firearm (handguns etc.) is strictly prohibited in law, either in private or public.  Whilst we have specialist firearms Officers, the UK Police - as you perhaps know - are routinely unarmed [with firearms]. Although it would be fair to say, there are illegally held firearms in circulation and that parts of the UK do suffer from disproportionately high gun-related crime problems; by and large gun-crime is relatively very low in this country.  So much so that a "fatal shooting" tends to be national news.  More so in this age of 24/7 news coverage.  And long may that continue.  The US can keep it's gun related problems, thanks.  The point I make is carrying a firearm  off-duty it's not something we have to think about.  Even remotely.  The thought of carrying a gun off-duty couldn't be further from my mind, let alone if I did which sort of ammunition I'd carry.  I would have absolutely no desire or need to. Whether I would carry one routinely on-duty is another discussion - but something that might be equally alien to those of you on the other side of the pond is that a hell of a lot of UK Police Officers wouldn't want to be routinely armed.  Whilst I don't want to be disrespectful, you lot might do well to take a leaf out of our book in terms of gun-laws.  It might then negate the need for normal members of the public to go around "packing" concealed firearms.  I've been to the states several times and love it there, don't get me wrong, but you do have some serious issues with firearms which thankfully does not carry over to here.  Thank god.  That's all I can say. 



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Posted 25 February 2013 - 09:06 AM

What a weird question to ask us...

 

I don't need to carry an "on duty" firearm so I have no inclination or need to carry on off duty.



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Posted 25 February 2013 - 09:16 AM

He's missing Moxnil.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 09:29 AM

As a serving police officer, I don't have a gun at work. If I was told that from a particular date, I would have to have a gun for work, I'd resign. 

 

The thought of having a gun off duty is appalling. Our European neighbours don't have guns off duty (even though the police may be routinely armed). I can't envisage a society where it would be necessary to have a gun off duty - thankfully. 



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Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:21 PM

He's missing Moxnil.


Where did he go?

#9 OFFLINE   Sub-seven

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 01:31 PM

The naughty step....



#10 OFFLINE   Rudi

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 01:41 PM

 Possession of a Section 1 firearm (handguns etc.) is strictly prohibited in law, either in private or public. 


WRONG. I have a cabinet full of them.

If I could have handguns I would. I enjoy pistol, rifle and shotgun shooting and would have one for that. I don't feel the need to have one for protection.
I could get one of those long barrelled revolvers with the forearm brace but I don't really like them. My mate has one in .44 mag. I would probably have a glock in 9mm and a 45 1911.
I'm hoping to get a Steyr Scout in .223 and a Sako TRG42 would be nice.

I believe out colleagues in the PSNI can have handguns for personal protection.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 02:44 PM

I would get a M134 Minigun and run about shouting 'Get to the Chopper!'



#12 OFFLINE   Frank Drebin

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 03:14 PM

I would get a M134 Minigun and run about shouting 'Get to the Chopper!'

 

 

Now that's just being silly isn't it?,........ Hmm?,....

 

I was thinking something more like this myself:

 

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 03:22 PM

Sawn off.... Easily concealed and scary.....

Sawn off.... Easily concealed and scary.....


Ohh, i thought you meant on duty... my bad.... off duty, now that's a different matter.....

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 03:42 PM

Its a good idea, but i would have to get a longer car. So its a bit impractical 

 

 

Now that's just being silly isn't it?,........ Hmm?,....

 

I was thinking something more like this myself:

 

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 06:08 PM

Where did he go?

Removed from the premises and his membership revoked. :wink:



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Posted 25 February 2013 - 07:06 PM

wouldnt want to thanks



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Posted 25 February 2013 - 07:27 PM

I'm going for a Gimpy.



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Posted 25 February 2013 - 08:01 PM

Mac10 for me.

#19 OFFLINE   meditate

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 08:40 PM

An original Baker Rifle made in Birmingham - and no license required  :cool:



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Posted 25 February 2013 - 08:44 PM

Interesting question.

 

If it were ever to be the position and say I resided in the US, at the moment I would probably go for a Glock G17, Simply for Reliability, not prone to stoppages also easy to carry.  At the other end of the scale for stopping power alone it would have to be that small hand cannon, a Desert Eagle with .50AE ammo, but that would be used for nothing short of taking a Brown bear down, as the over penetration normally would be too much. :whistling: :whistling: :whistling:


Edited by Traffic Rat, 25 February 2013 - 08:45 PM.


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Posted 25 February 2013 - 08:49 PM

Flintlock pistol - - - - - and anybody who gave me any abuse during the day, I'd use my issue leather glove to slap their face, and call them out for a duel at dawn (obviously I'd have to check minimum staffing and abstractions on the duty management system).

 

Being serious, like has been said, I cannot even comprehend carrying a gun off duty. It does not compute or fit in with my mindset. Guns are alien to most of us, especially hand guns, except the AFOs on here.


Edited by Ed67812, 25 February 2013 - 08:50 PM.


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Posted 25 February 2013 - 11:55 PM

WRONG. I have a cabinet full of them.

If I could have handguns I would. I enjoy pistol, rifle and shotgun shooting and would have one for that. I don't feel the need to have one for protection.
I could get one of those long barrelled revolvers with the forearm brace but I don't really like them. My mate has one in .44 mag. I would probably have a glock in 9mm and a 45 1911.
I'm hoping to get a Steyr Scout in .223 and a Sako TRG42 would be nice.

I believe out colleagues in the PSNI can have handguns for personal protection.

A cabinet full of what?  You say I am WRONG when I say the possession of handguns etc. is prohibited - presumably - but then go on to say, if you could have handguns you would.  Which is slightly contradictory. So presumably, you don't have a cabinet full of 'em?..

 

There is nevertheless a slight error in what I say: I was referring to prohibited weapons which would include handguns (as I clearly stipulate).  A slight error in quoting the relevant section, admittedly - but the point made that the possession of handguns etc. (as in prohibited weapons) is illegal both in public and private is entirely CORRECT.  Indeed the authority of the Secretary of State would be required to possess such a prohibited weapon. 

 

So, what's actually in your cabinet?



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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:15 AM

This is not a political post. The UK has armed police officers. So an armed police response is acceptable within your laws and police services. Maybe my use of "off duty" was wrong, so allow me to amend my post: You are assigned to an undercover unit where you will need to be armed. This post has nothing to do with the politics of being armed.

 

Let me explain the purpose of my post: I am trying to get a handle on your tactical training. Your tactical thought process. I want to see if officers with military training view equipment differently than someone without military training. What I don't want is a rote political response. I want to see a discussion of risk assessment.

 

If you never want to carry a firearm, then do not reply to this post. I also want to avoid the standard "good copper" response of" I will use whatever my service issues." No one ever knows what threat he or she will encounter. What I want is some insight as to how an armed officer evaluates and deals with his risk assessment.

 

(As an aside, many of you mocked and teased Moxnil. You may not have agreed with his views, but he did not deserve to have been bullied. You can disagree without being disrespectful, and no one should be bullied.)



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Posted 26 February 2013 - 04:21 AM

Moxnil was treated the way he was for bringing every topic he participated in round to the topic of guns. This topic will go the same way as all the others. It's no good saying its a hypothetical question as the laws on gun ownership in this country are very strict. I should imagine the need for off duty "mainland" police officers to carry a weapon is negligible. I say "mainland" as our colleagues in Northern Ireland are routinely armed off duty as I was when I served there.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 05:08 AM

I carry one at work (a Glock 22) but I probably wouldn't carry one off duty (even if I was allowed to), for no other reason that the practicalities: it's a pain, especially in the summer. I also don't see much of a need.

 

That being said, it's second nature for many (most? all?) agenices in the US to carry off duty, so really, what do I know?






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