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Cops stop taxi - specials?

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I read it and just sighed, surely there has to be more to this than "cops stop child in need of medical aid and keep them for 20 mins before letting them leave" It can't be that simple.... can it?


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On 01/01/2017 at 7:43 PM, Undercover User said:

When I and others saw this article the first thing we all said "got to have been stopped by specials". I would hope this wasn't a regular officer....

 

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/police-accused-preventing-mum-taking-12392542

Should the standard of a regular officer be higher than that of a special?

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11 hours ago, PCW! said:

I read it and just sighed, surely there has to be more to this than "cops stop child in need of medical aid and keep them for 20 mins before letting them leave" It can't be that simple.... can it?


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I suspect so. The press don't always get their facts published in full. However I can also imagine special constabulary officers carrying this stop our having witnessed such errors in several occasions. 

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11 hours ago, Sir Penguin said:

Should the standard of a regular officer be higher than that of a special?

It always is. 

The modern day special in my experience is a lot lower skilled and much less knowledgable than they were in the past. I feel the standards for recruiting specials have dropped in an attempt to get as many in as possible to fill the gaps in numbers. Sadly quantity never matches up to quality. 

 

There was recently a national survey on specials. I'm keen to see the answers to many questions asked in that. However I already know many colleagues dread working with a large number of specials because of their lack of skill, knowledge and the fact many just get in the way and make the job harder. 

It may not be the case but as soon as I saw this article I immediately felt this is a typical specials issue. We shall see I guess. 

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13 hours ago, Undercover User said:

It always is. 

The modern day special in my experience is a lot lower skilled and much less knowledgable than they were in the past. I feel the standards for recruiting specials have dropped in an attempt to get as many in as possible to fill the gaps in numbers. Sadly quantity never matches up to quality. 

 

There was recently a national survey on specials. I'm keen to see the answers to many questions asked in that. However I already know many colleagues dread working with a large number of specials because of their lack of skill, knowledge and the fact many just get in the way and make the job harder. 

It may not be the case but as soon as I saw this article I immediately felt this is a typical specials issue. We shall see I guess. 

When you compare the training of a special to that of a regular officer then it is quite understandable that they are less knowledgable. Having previously served as a special I think do think that the training needs to be more developed. 

That being said I do think it is wrong to automatically assume. I have worked with some brilliant specials who put the time in and are a great help to the team. 

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On 1/3/2017 at 10:36 PM, Sir Penguin said:

When you compare the training of a special to that of a regular officer then it is quite understandable that they are less knowledgable. Having previously served as a special I think do think that the training needs to be more developed. 

Definitely, the amount of training can be basic to say the least, coupled with the fact Specials don't work fulltime so the knowledge fades if a certain type of job isn't attended for a while.

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It appears by reading this topic and responses regarding their training / lack of ours etc. that Specials are guilty until proven innocent when there doesn't seem to be any evidence regarding who stopped the taxi?

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13 hours ago, Rocket said:

It appears by reading this topic and responses regarding their training / lack of ours etc. that Specials are guilty until proven innocent when there doesn't seem to be any evidence regarding who stopped the taxi?

There's no claim it actually was specials made in this thread, simply a discussion over a feeling that it could be and a hope that regular officers would know better.

On the subject of specials, there is a general feeling in the service about specials that is evident by the recent national survey sent to serving officers recently. The questions asked were clearly to gage personal opinion of specials and asked a lot of questions on negativity towards them.

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The article does not specify "Regular or Special" however it does say that there were four officers there, which as a retired GMP officer would lead me to believe that they were Specials. I would find it had to believe that there would be four regular offices in a vehicle Perhaps we will know in due course of time.

Upper Brooke street is not at from the Manchester Royal Infirmary and due to the circumstances I am very surprised that they did not allow the Private Hire car to proceed or even escort the vehicle.

I do not know about other forces but certainly in GMP the Specials do not have a depth of knowledge. When parading for duty they would have bee told what to do and have signed vehicles designated for use by Specials. Always a sore point if the section are struggling with a shortage of vehicles and a Specials vehicle is sitting in the yard.

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I'd certainly hope that it wasn't a regular officer. Common sense must surely dictate that situation?

The discussion about Specials is an interesting one. I joined GMP as a Special in 2010 and did 5 years before getting a PC role with another force. I also did the Policint degree at the same time (not that that made me a Super Special) but I did have a more indepth knowledge than some.

Specials are keen to learn, keen to help and keen to get stuck in - only a few that I've met have been anything but, however there is a significant gap between roles. My S/Sgt was 25 years in the job. Regulars would ask HIM for advice, now that's an experience you will rarely see these days.

 

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This couldn't of been Specials as Specials can only get A-B driving. There is no authority to stop vehicles on this driving.

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1 hour ago, propidol said:

This couldn't of been Specials as Specials can only get A-B driving. There is no authority to stop vehicles on this driving.

Yes, but despite this, specials often stop vehicles.

The 'A-B driving' also means they should only be using vehicles for travelling to pre-arranged appointments and not simply patrolling in vehicles or responding to an incident of any grade. And yet despite this too they will patrol in vehicles and will attend grade 2 jobs and even grade 1 jobs at road speed.

Specials break the driving policy daily and nobody bats an eyelid. It's something they get away with daily, but the one time that someone has as bump or something more serious they'll get hung out to dry.

I've seen numerous specials stop vehicles and carry out 165 seizures and similar. They'll often stop a car with the blues, get stuck in and then shout for a regular when they get in too deep.

One of our regular problem causing specicals (we have decent ones too) recently seized a car and kept all the paperwork himself rather than giving the driver their copy to get their car back. They then attached exhibit labels to them and included them with a poorly created summons file. I accept this could just be a case of poor training, but if they don't know what they're doing they shouldn't be doing it. ASK, it's not hard, most of us will advise.

 

So yes, this could easily have been specials. I'd be willing to place money on it being specials. This is common of the kind of things they do where I work sadly and they tend to give the job a bad name.

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