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  2. holidays, pay and pension

    Public Holidays are additional to the Annual Leave entitlement. Don't know about overtime in the Met. Employers contribution on the NPPS is between 21% and 24%, employees contribution starts at 12.44%. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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  4. All 43 federations sign open letter to Prime Minister demanding 'a properly funded and well-resourced police service'. Prime Minister Theresa May Those representing rank and file officers across the country have written an open letter to the government describing the recent pay award as 'derisory'. Representatives from all 43 police federations in the country endorsed the letter, saying “members were angry” and forces “had been put in an impossible situation.” Police Federation of England and Wales Vice Chairman Calum Macleod said: “We feel the government has not been truthful and honest about the pay award given to officers, and that is insulting. "The two per cent awarded has to come from existing policing budgets which means forces may have to choose between officer numbers and public safety. That cannot be right." The full letter reads: Dear Prime Minister, On behalf of the hard working officers who are working to the bone to protect our people, who fight to protect our communities and who keep you safe, we demand answers. And we demand that you tell the public the truth. About crime figures. About police numbers. About the ‘extra’ officers you pledge. About ‘extra’ money you say you will pay. No more smoke. No more mirrors. No more double standards. You expect officers to run towards terrorists one minute and then turn your backs when we ask for help so they can afford to feed their families. Families they barely see because of the hours they work to fill the void left by the thousands of officers who are no longer there because of your cuts. Officers who are now broken. Who are unable to cope with the mental and physical demands placed upon them by having to work in depleted environments. With out of date kit .With fewer people. With no support. One chief constable has just this week told you that 40 per cent of his officers have sought professional help for stress. It is the tip of the iceberg. Our officers are committed to serving the public. And we thank the public for their overwhelming support, particularly in light of recent incidents. But with 20,000 fewer police officers than five years ago it is no wonder we have seen crime rise and the service to the public suffer. This is not fair on them. And two per cent pay rise with no extra money to pay for it means it is the public who will yet again suffer and get even less of a service. So hear us when we say: The pay award of on average less than £10 a week is insulting. A two per cent rise is not a rise when it has to come from existing policing budgets. It’s a disgrace you have dressed it up as a pay rise. Funding must come centrally, it is unfair to make the public suffer with fewer officers available to fight crime. It’s a disgrace you have ignored the recommendations from the independent Police Remuneration Review Body – the very body you set up to advise on police pay. Forces cannot cope with any further falls in police numbers. Communities will be further under threat at the very time protection is needed the most. Community policing plays a vital part in intelligence gathering to help combat terrorism and it has been decimated. ‘Extra’ police officers are not ‘extra’ police officers. They are the same officers doing longer hours, being called back in when they are off or being given extra responsibilities. Crime is not falling. And answer our questions: Why was the independent body, which has awarded MPs and ministers a 13 per cent rise over the last three years listened to when the independent police body on pay was not? How can you justify these double standards? Do you think it is acceptable that the derisory pay award is expected to come at a cost of losing more officers? Our members have been failed by: The FAILURE to heed our warnings. The FAILURE to implement the very recommendations of the independent bodies you introduced. The FAILURE to support them and the police service as a whole. The FAILURE to help officers protect the country. The FAILURE to help officers protect the public adequately. We don’t want meaningless platitudes. We want a properly funded and well-resourced police service. The public rightly want and expect this. For the sake of those who put their lives on the line for the public we demand you address these injustices and give us answers. Members of the interim National Council View on Police Oracle
  5. holidays, pay and pension

    A few questions... sorry. 1, I'm told a new Met PC starts off with 22 days annual leave. Obviously that roughly just four weeks holiday. Do you get days in lieu for bank holidays etc that you can use to boost your holiday time? 2, Is there extra pay for working significant amounts of overtime etc? 3, How does the pension work? Assuming you pay in yourself and then there's some kind of contribution from the government. Do they match your contributions? Thanks
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  7. Brexit: PM bids to break deadlock with two-year deal offer 21 September 2017 From the section UK Politics Related Topics Brexit Image copyright Reuters Theresa May will tell EU leaders there is a shared responsibility to make Brexit work "smoothly" as she attempts to break the deadlock in negotiations. In a major speech in Florence on Friday, she will say history will judge Brexit "not for the differences we faced, but for the vision we showed". The BBC understands she will propose a two-year transitional deal, after March 2019, ahead of a permanent trade deal. It could include payments worth 20bn euros over the two years. May 'to offer 20bn euros' transitional deal Laura Kuenssberg: A cash offer? The Brexit transition options A guide to the Brexit negotiations According to pre-released excerpts from her speech, the prime minister will say that a successful final agreement is in the interests of both the UK and the remaining EU countries. "If we can do that, then when this chapter of our European history is written, it will be remembered not for the differences we faced, but for the vision we showed; not for the challenges we endured but for the creativity we used to overcome them; not for a relationship that ended but a new partnership that began." She is expected to say, if the UK and EU can be "imaginative and creative" about establishing a new relationship, both sides can be "optimistic about the future". Mrs May will argue that it is "in all of our interests for our negotiations to succeed… so I believe we share a profound sense of responsibility to make this change work smoothly and sensibly, not just for people today but for the next generation who will inherit the world we leave them". The view from Brussels Image copyright Reuters Image caption EU negotiatior Michel Barnier will be watching the speech closely By the BBC's Adam Fleming Politicians and officials across the EU will listen to the tone of Theresa May's speech but they mostly care about the content and its effect on the Brexit talks. The UK's offer to pay its membership fees until the end of the seven-year budget cycle is more generous than Britain's pitch at the last round of talks but less than Michel Barnier wants. And the media has paid little attention to the impasse over citizens rights, where the EU fears its nationals will have to go through an unacceptable administrative process to stay in the UK after Brexit. Diplomats point out that talk is fine but the negotiations advance on concrete proposals, written down in legalistic documents. Brussels officials are also gripped by the political situation in the UK, with one senior figure suggesting the prime minister is too weak to offer anything big and might not even be in her job in two weeks' time. They are open to a transition deal but the further it deviates from EU membership, the harder it will be to negotiate in the limited time available. The BBC understands the prime minister will make what has been described as an "open and generous" offer, potentially worth 20bn euros over the two years - which could plug a black hole in the current EU budget, which runs to 2020 - created by the UK's departure. Mrs May briefed her top team at a marathon two and a half hour cabinet meeting in Downing Street on Thursday on what she will say in Florence. A government source said that the intention was to make the potential payments conditional on continued access to the single market and some form of customs union which allowed the UK to strike its own trade deals during the transition period. Media playback is unsupported on your device Media captionWhy Florence?Mrs May is not expected to say exactly how much the cash offer will be worth, the exact nature of the arrangements for accessing the single market or any conditions attached to the money in her much-anticipated speech, as these are subject to the negotiations in Brussels. Additional long-term liabilities, like EU pensions and debts, will also have to be dealt with in the talks to come, so the eventual Brexit bill is likely to be far higher than that 20bn euros (about £18bn). The prime minister is also expected to repeat her assertion that the UK will seek its own bespoke trade deal after Brexit with the rest of the EU. In a speech to the Italian parliament on Thursday, the EU's chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier said that striking a deal with the UK was "in our common interest" but that only a year remained to come to agreement on the key issues - as six months would be needed for ratification before March 2019. Mr Barnier said he was awaiting "clear commitments" from the UK on the issue of guaranteeing EU citizens' rights, on the financial settlement and on the Northern Ireland border. Without those issues being resolved in a withdrawal agreement, there would be no transition deal, he said. The fourth round of Brexit negotiations begins on 25 September, with the UK due to leave the EU in March 2019. View the full article
  8. Sounds like you need to sever your direct links with this man. As I say family law solicitor is your only way to go. Court orders re child access and not to attend your address etc. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  9. Am I getting 6 Points?

    Does quite work like that.
  10. Theresa May Brexit speech to be 'open and generous offer' to EU 21 September 2017 From the section UK Politics comments Related Topics Brexit Image copyright AFP Theresa May's speech on Brexit in Italy on Friday will represent an "open and generous offer" to the rest of the EU, a cabinet minister has told the BBC. It is thought that might include a guarantee that no EU country would lose out from changes to the EU's current budget as a result of the UK leaving. But another minister warned against offering too much money, saying "it's our only leverage". Mrs May briefed her cabinet on Thursday morning about the speech. The event in Florence is being seen as an attempt to break the deadlock on the negotiations, with the EU unhappy at the lack of progress on agreeing the UK's "divorce bill" from Brussels. Ben Wright: The Brexit transition options A guide to the Brexit negotiations Johnson denies cabinet Brexit split The cabinet meeting - which at two and a half hours was much longer than usual - came amid reports of ministerial splits over Brexit. Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson was accused of undermining the PM with a 4,000-word article about Brexit. He subsequently denied reports he planned to resign if his blueprint was not followed and described the government as "a nest of singing birds". The foreign secretary and prime minister travelled back from the United Nations in New York on the same flight on Wednesday night. And in a carefully orchestrated show of unity Mr Johnson and Chancellor Philip Hammond - often seen to represent different views on Brexit - left No 10 together, smiling to waiting reporters. Debate ahead of the speech has focused on the detail of the time-limited transition period after Brexit, how much the UK will pay as it leaves, and whether it will continue contributing to EU budgets in years to come. So far, the government has said the UK will honour its commitments but that the days of "giving huge sums of money" are over. Downing Street has also described as "speculation" a Financial Times report that chief Brexit "sherpa" Olly Robbins, who reports directly to Mrs May, had told Germany she will offer to pay £20bn in the period up to 2020 to cover gaps in the budget left by the UK's departure. The fourth round of Brexit negotiations begins on 25 September, with the UK due to leave the EU in March 2019. Media playback is unsupported on your device Media captionWhy Florence?Analysis - By BBC Political Editor Laura Kuenssberg We are one of the biggest contributors to the EU pot, so leaving dents the planned financial arrangements if we just go and take our cheque book with us. If that is the promise that is roughly to the tune of £20bn, although it would be surprising if Theresa May named a figure herself - it's not her style and any actual numbers will be subject to far-off negotiations. But in terms of the bill, that could just be the start of it. Plugging the hole in the current budget doesn't deal with what the EU sees as our long-term obligations - whether that's diplomats' pensions or our share of money that's been loaned to other countries. Read Laura's full blog The UK is keen to intensify their pace and open discussions on the country's future relationship with the EU, including trade, as soon as possible. But this cannot happen until the EU deems sufficient progress has been made on the initial subjects being discussed, including the UK's financial settlement. The two sides are also trying to reach agreement on the status of UK and EU expats after Brexit, and the impact of Brexit on the Northern Ireland border. The pro-European Liberal Democrats called on Mrs May to clamp down on Cabinet dissent by sacking Boris Johnson and to use her Florence speech to "drop her reckless insistence that no deal is better than a bad deal". The party's Brexit spokesman Tom Brake said: "This a chance for the prime minister to show she's listened to the message sent by voters at the election and to seek a Brexit deal that has majority support in the country. "That should include staying in the single market, separating the issue of EU nationals' rights so they are not used as bargaining chips, and giving the public a vote on the final deal." View the full article
  11. @Reasonable Man i did read into that coercive behaviour after it was suggested to me. In all honesty everything he's doing seems to fit with that. It's been over a year we have been separated and things are still the same with him. I give him easy access to his children and never restrict his access as I feel children need both parents. He's been violent to me in the past where I had to call the police and he was arrested and made to attend a group session about domestic violence for so many months. Social services were involved to determine if me and my children were still at risk from harm. I have nothing to hide from social services at all. I do my best for my children. I'm scared of making things worse between us as he can be unpredictable at times. I had to call the police last October after he burst through my door trying to take things from my house, he did this in front of our children
  12. I line of text on a public forum isn't policing, lazy or not. I mean when a real police officer attends a real incident and says it's 'civil'. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  13. More like Controlling or Coercive Behaviour. Speak to a family law solicitor about options to protect yourself from such behaviour. Then try the police but you will probably be in for a long journey with the police suggesting 'words of advice' being given, that may make the situation worse initially. You will then have to report every incident to the police and find yourself explaining the whole story repeatedly. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  14. 21 September 2017 From the section UK Police arrest a 17-year-old boy in south London in connection with last Friday's terror attack on a Tube train This breaking news story is being updated and more details will be published shortly. Please refresh the page for the fullest version. If you want to receive Breaking News alerts via email, or on a smartphone or tablet via the BBC News App then details on how to do so are available on this help page. You can also follow @BBCBreaking on Twitter to get the latest alerts. View the full article
  15. Again, I'm no legal expert but i used to work in insurance a long time ago. As far as I remember by accepting the insurance policy and insuring your car, your insurance company are bound by the RTA to cover the car for 3rd party cover in all eventualities. This is a legal requirement. It doesn't matter what you then use the car for, the minimum RTA cover is still in place and is the responsibility of your insurer to fulfil. Technically your car had the minimum legal insurance requirement at the time of the incident, and no offence was committed. Your insurance company can in theory invalidate your insurance given this new information and cancel your policy - but they can't do this retrospectively. You wouldn't be covered for any personal losses (ie. no fully comp) and in theory your insurance company could have sued you for any 3rd party payments it might have had to have paid out if you had had an accident. But the fact remains your car had legal minimum of insurance at the time the police officer stopped you and therefore no criminal offence was committed.
  16. Am I getting 6 Points?

    Speak to your insurance about it. You may well have still been covered.
  17. Driving on Pavement

    Get proper legal advice.
  18. Is my ex harassing me?

    Could be. Call 101 to speak to someone.
  19. Not sure it's lazy policing answering a question based on the info provided. If it's purely someone locked out wanting to get in then other than violence to secure entry theres nothing else. Reads like Foulkes v CC Merseyside.
  20. Firstly, remember this place isn't for proper legal advice, for that you'll want to speak to a lawyer. So what I'll say is just my opinion/perspective. I'd imagine you'd almost certainly get the 6 points. No Insurance/Invalid Insurance is pretty much an absolute offence. You'll likely get a fixed penalty notice through the door soon and it will give you a conditional offer which will probably be something like 6 points and a fine (maybe around £200). You have the option to pay it, or take it to court where you could appeal that or argue against it. But as you yourself are saying you didn't have insurance I'd not be hopeful.
  21. Hey guys could really do with some help. I was pulled over today by the police and told him I was driving to work and had been doing so since Monday. Usually I don't drive to work as I take the train but as I was only coming in for three days it worked out cheaper to drive. He ran my name on his phone and it showed I didn't have commuting insurance. The insurance company said I was allowed to drive home after he pulled me over so my car didn't get impounded. I was given some form of explanatory notes for prosecution for road traffic offence. Will i definitely be getting 6 points? Is there anything I can do to reduce this as it was a honest mistake and being on 21 it will have a severe impact on me.
  22. Hi all. First post here so be kind. I got pulled over today and told I was being issued with a fixed penalty notice for mounting a pavement while driving. It was at a left turn before some traffic lights, a van had pulled up short at the junction and to get past him to turn left I mounted the curb slightly. At that point the corner of the junction is a grass verge. There is a pavement parallel to and offset away from the main road with a about 2 foot of grass verge between it and the road. I confess my left tyre mounted the grass verge, but my car never crossed the pavement or even got close, but the officer involved insisted I mounted a pavement. I realise mounting a pavement while driving is an offence. But is it an offence to mount a grass verge next to one? I've uploaded a pic which shoes the corner and my tyre mark in the grass. Any guidance would be appreciated.
  23. Mark Sampson is set to leave his role as England women's manager amid a row over discrimination allegations. It comes after his side beat Russia 6-0 in a World Cup qualifier on Tuesday. The 34-year-old took over in 2013 and led England to successive semi-finals at major tournaments. He was accused of discrimination by Chelsea forward Eniola Aluko but has been cleared of wrongdoing by two investigations and vehemently denies the allegations. The FA is expected to confirm his departure at a press conference this afternoon. More to follow. You can now add WSL 1 alerts for goals and results in the BBC Sport app. View the full article
  24. Hi everyone. Just needed some advice on dealing with my ex partner. We were together 15 years and have three children. We separated in August 2016. He was always very controlling and manipulating. Since we split he has tried almost anything and everything to maintain some form of control over my life. At the start of our break up he would turn up at my house every single day, he refused to give me any form of cash to support his children and would buy Tesco vouchers instead. In 15 years he has never had any contact with my children's schools but then suddenly decided to start speaking to them on a regular basis and tried to convince the teachers that I was failing as a parent. He often lies to my children and has told them that their schools have contacted him to tell him that they are not doing good enough in school, after speaking g to my children's teachers it became clear that none of my children's teachers had made these claims. He has come into my house and taken ridiculous pictures of washing on the bathroom floor after my children have had their bath, or pictures of washing up on the work top after I have just cooked the kids dinner, and has threatened to send the pictures to social services. My children are very close to his mother and occasionally ask to stay their on a school night and I pick them up in the morning and take them to school. He has now told me I am not allowed to let them stay there during the week and he has again threatened to report me to social services saying that my house is not good enough for my children to live in. (My house is fine and tidy) he threatens to call my children's school if they are even a minute late. I've tried ignoring him but it's hard when every week you are being told you are not good enough and being threatened with social services and phone calls to your children's schools. I just want it to stop and to be allowed to move forward with my life. Am I being harassed?
  25. Parsons Green bombing: Two more arrested over Tube attack 20 September 2017 From the section UK Image copyright Reuters Image caption Investigators search rubbish bins in Newport for evidence Two men have been arrested in south Wales over Friday's terror attack on a London Underground train, bringing the total number held to five. A 48-year-old man and a 30-year-old man were detained under the Terrorism Act in the early hours, after a search at an address in Newport. Police are still searching there, and at a second address in Newport. Thirty people were injured when a homemade bomb partially exploded on a rush-hour Tube train at Parsons Green. The other arrests so far were of: A 25-year-old man in Newport on Tuesday evening An 18-year-old man at Dover port on Saturday. The BBC has learnt he had previously been referred to an anti-extremist programme A 21-year-old man in Hounslow, west London, also on Saturday Media playback is unsupported on your device Media captionA man was arrested in Newport on Tuesday in connection with the attackCommander Dean Haydon, head of the Metropolitan Police counter terrorism command, said: "This continues to be a fast-moving investigation. "A significant amount of activity has taken place since the attack on Friday. "Detectives are carrying out extensive inquiries to determine the full facts behind the attack." Further searches are continuing at two addresses in Surrey and are expected to last some days, the police said. BBC home affairs correspondent Tom Symonds said the latest arrests suggested detectives were developing "an idea of a network" of people. They might not have planned any kind of terrorist attack but were acquaintances, lived together or were family members, he said. The police were keen to get "very close" to people of interest, he explained, pointing out that in previous investigations, friends, acquaintances and relatives were arrested early, held for quite a long time and then released. Orphan from Iraq The 18-year-old arrested man is thought to have lived in a foster home owned by Ronald and Penelope Jones, in Sunbury-on-Thames, Surrey. He is thought to have moved to the UK from Iraq aged 15 when his parents died. The BBC has learnt that he had been referred to an anti-extremist programme before his arrest. It is not known who made the referral and when - or how serious the concerns were. Image caption Syrian-born Yahyah Farroukh is believed to be the 21-year-old suspect arrested by police The 21-year-old man, also arrested on Saturday, is believed to be Syrian-born Yahyah Farroukh. Mr Farroukh worked at Aladdins chicken shop in Hounslow, and has been described as a former foster child who had lived in the Jones's house. Mr Farroukh posted a picture on his Instagram page in May this year with a suitcase on Cavendish Road, Sunbury, almost directly outside the Jones's house. At 08:20 BST on Friday a homemade bomb, which was transported in a Lidl bag, partially exploded in a Tube train at Parsons Green station, causing burns to a number of victims. Image copyright Chris J Ratcliffe Image caption About 30 people were injured in the Tube attack View the full article
  26. Theresa May to warn tech firms over terror content 20 September 2017 From the section UK Politics Image copyright Reuters Technology companies must go "further and faster" in removing extremist content, Prime Minister Theresa May is to tell the United Nations. She will urge social networks and search engines to act when she addresses the general assembly. Mrs May will also host a meeting with other world leaders and firms including Facebook, Microsoft and Twitter. Separately, tech giant Google has said it will give a total of £1m to fund counter-terrorism projects in the UK. Google launches UK 'anti-terror fund' Politicians take on the internet over extremism The prime minister has repeatedly called for an end to the "safe spaces" she says terrorists enjoy online. Ministers have called for limits to end-to-end encryption, which stops messages being read by third parties if they are intercepted, and measures to curb the spread of material on social media. On Wednesday, the prime minister will hail progress made by tech companies since the establishment in June of an industry forum to counter terrorism. But she will urge them to go "further and faster" in developing artificial intelligence solutions to automatically reduce the period in which terror propaganda remains available, and eventually prevent it appearing at all. The UK, France and Italy are to call for a target of one to two hours to take down terrorist content wherever it appears. 'Best brains in the world' Internet companies will be given a month to show they are taking the problem seriously, with ministers at a G7 meeting on 20 October due to decide whether enough progress has been made. A Downing Street source said: "These companies have some of the best brains in the world. "They should really be focusing on what matters, which is stopping the spread of terrorism and violence." Technology companies defended their handling of extremist content after criticism from ministers following the London Bridge terror attack in June. Google said it had already spent hundreds of millions of pounds on tackling the problem. Facebook and Twitter said they were working hard to rid their networks of terrorist activity and support. YouTube told the BBC that it received 200,000 reports of inappropriate content a day, but managed to review 98% of them within 24 hours. Addressing the UN General Assembly, Mrs May will say terrorists will never win, but that "defiance alone is not enough". "Ultimately it is not just the terrorists themselves who we need to defeat. It is the extremist ideologies that fuel them. It is the ideologies that preach hatred, sow division and undermine our common humanity," she will say. 'Mystified' Mrs May's appearance at the UN comes days before she is due to give a major speech on Brexit - a subject that led to repeated questions from journalists on her visit. Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson was accused of undermining her plans by writing a 4,000-word newspaper article setting out his own vision for Brexit. Speaking to the Guardian, Mr Johnson said he was "mystified" by the row his article had prompted, saying he had "contributed a small article to the pages of the Telegraph" because critics had been saying he was not speaking up about Brexit. View the full article
  27. 20 September 2017 From the section UK Image copyright Getty Images A life-extending lung cancer drug will be made immediately available to NHS patients in England, say advisers. Campaigners, including the late Sunday Times restaurant critic AA Gill, have repeatedly called for access to the pioneering immunotherapy, which can add months to life. Scotland already offers nivolumab to people with advanced disease who have also tried chemotherapy. England's drugs watchdog had originally said nivolumab was too expensive. More life In new draft guidance, the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE) has approved nivolumab through the fast-track Cancer Drugs Fund while more evidence is gathered on its cost-effectiveness. That means some patients - about 1,300 people with advanced squamous and non-squamous non-small cell lung cancer (whose tumours express a molecule called PD-L1) - will now be eligible for the drug. During his final weeks living with terminal cancer, AA Gill described nivolumab as "more life spent on Earth - but only if you can pay". Image copyright Getty Images Image caption AA Gill, pictured with his partner of 23 years Nicola Formby The former smoker was diagnosed with lung cancer that had spread to his neck and pancreas, with tumours that were inoperable and unsuitable for radiotherapy. Gill said he had been denied a drug - costing about £5,000 a month - that may have helped him live "considerably" longer and was the weapon of choice for "every oncologist in the First World". What is Nivolumab? Nivolumab (brand name Opdivo) is a type of immunotherapy that stimulates the body's immune system to fight cancer cells. It works by interrupting the chemical signals that cancers use to convince the immune system they are healthy tissue. Patients can have nivolumab into a vein as a drip. It is used to treat advanced melanoma, blood cancer (Hodgkin lymphoma), kidney cancer and the most common type of lung cancer - non small-cell lung cancer. It is also used in clinical trials for other types of cancer. Prof Carole Longson, from NICE, said: "We know that nivolumab is clinically effective for some people with lung cancer, but the full extent of its benefit is not clear. "This new deal means that we can give patients access to what we know is a promising treatment whilst more evidence is gathered on its value." Prof Paul Workman, from the Institute of Cancer Research, in London, said: "Immunotherapies are currently very expensive, but one of the ways to make them more cost-effective is to direct them to patients most likely to respond. Today's decision is a welcome step in the right direction." View the full article
  28. Which is why my first post said to gather the facts. Bdsheff said, with certainty, that it is 'civil'. I can think of many situations where this would involve criminal offences but only one where it would be purely 'civil', hence the likelihood that it is criminal. 'It's civil' always makes me suspicious of lack of knowledge and/or lazy policing. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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