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Tim in the South

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  1. Tim in the South

    Hung-over police are 'phoning in sick'

    In all my years of service, I've never heard of any one of my colleagues going off sick for something so trivial as a hangover. If this is unique to Essex - which of course it may or may not be - then the Chief needs to look at what is happening within the organisation to create such high sickness records (average of 12 days of sick for each officer).
  2. Tim in the South

    Chief Constable Cheer fails fitness test....

    I agree with Traffic Bob. My concern is that we are expected to be fit, yet, they will not provide us with any facilities to help us maintain a decent standard of fitness. I'm happy to go to a gym (I do anyway), but it would be at least an added incentive if access to a gym was provided. I know that in some areas, there are schemes to give us a slight reduction in membership of gyms, but in my own area, the nearest 'discounted' gym is about 30 miles away. It's just my opinion, but if a gym was provided, we would all most likely use it, and our standard of fitness would actually overall improve considerably. But then, I may be asking for a canteen next if they provided us with a gym or gym facilities.
  3. Tim in the South

    What is the Maximum age to apply to become a PC?

    There isn't a maximum age. You need to consider though, that the current age of state retirement is now 66 - and perhaps in 20 years time, it will probably increase again nearer to 70. I've tried to find out from our Federation, what happens if someone wishes to continue working past the age of 60 - and it appears that it still is up to the Chief Constable (unless you've completed the 30 years of service). So, even if you aren't accepted immediately (I don't know if the Met are recruiting), if you are 49 or 50 when you start training, it will still be at least 10 years of service you can give - maybe as much as 15. If it's something you want to do - go for it. Become a special - that way you will also gain a significant insight into what we do, how we do it, the difficulties and challenges we face... and of course the bureaucracy (which is increasing, not decreasing).
  4. Tim in the South

    NHS professional to Police Officer! Advice Please

    If you don't apply / join, you may, in 10-15 years time, be thinking "I wish I had .... ". Whilst some of my fellow Officers may be advising against joining, the NHS isn't perfect either. But then, which job is? Yes, we are having a rough time, which isn't likely to get better, but I still think it's the best job - and I am proud to call myself a police officer. Would I swap and join another profession? I could easily do that, and earn a massive salary - but my job is far too enjoyable (even given the crazy stuff we have to tolerate). What do you have to lose? Go for it. Even if you join when you're 35-40, spend at least 5-10 years in uniform, you'd still have another significant period of time to move into a CID role. My advice again, is when you join, complete the two years, but then gain considerable experience in uniform before moving into CID. It makes the transition into CID much easier. In my own area, we have a staged progression before someone becomes a detective - which is both supportive and a massive learning curve. I can only talk about my own force - if you show ability, ambition, commitment, enthusiasm, competence, then you have a range of options open to you - and we are superb at offering training opportunities - too many to list here. To be promoted in my force is extremely tough - we just don't have the openings any more. I really don't know the answer to the salary - but my interpretation so far, is that you're right, it will take about 7 years to reach the maximum salary for a constable (compared with the current 10 years). We do make a difference to people's lives: when you dealing with many victims (and witnesses), they are appreciative, and will help in whatever way they can. Sure, we do have to deal with others that are not. We are here to uphold the law, so even if it is someone who we would never, ever in a million years associate with, if they become a victim, we deal with it, and try to do so in the same way that we would if it was a relative or a good friend. You may find that where you consider applying for insist on you being a special first. Many (I know mine does) insist on having passed the course (I forget the name of it - but it's a policing course, which I'm sure someone will give the correct title for). I think in many forces now, unless you've passed the course, been a special or PCSO, it's often impossible to get any further. By being a special you do get to sample what we actually do (yes, there are still many things you won't do - such as interviewing). That way you really will be able to see for yourself if it is the job for you - or if you're rather remain in the health care profession. Hope this helps.
  5. The judge will not be impressed. Indeed, he may be sufficiently annoyed at the tremendous waste of resources, that he will send you to prison. It's quite rare that a witness fails to turn up after being summonsed - and those who just won't turn up, in my experience, end up in the cells.
  6. Tim in the South

    Post April 2014 Pay Freeze Question

    It depends what role you do. Until recently, uniformed officers (where I work) had relatively little overtime available due to finances. If in a suit, then overtime is expected without any consultation and you may end up working many, many extra hours a month. It's wise to always assume that there will be NO overtime, so when you get some, it'll be gratefully received.
  7. Tim in the South

    The Police - it's really not a job worth doing

    I'm astonished at that way of recruiting potential detectives. In my area, most people who go into CID have been in uniform for at least 5 years or more. Sounds like your CID is a good place to work - never working past 2200 ... any vacancies?
  8. Tim in the South

    The Police - it's really not a job worth doing

    Try working in my team. Most of us average about 30 to 40 hours overtime a month. I can't remember in the last 6 months when I went off 'on time'. But as someone else wrote, it does vary from force to force.
  9. Tim in the South

    The Police - it's really not a job worth doing

    Many of us go through periods when we wonder if it's worth it, and consider changing careers. There are vacancies in other careers - despite what the media may claim. Not always easy to obtain though. Moving department may be useful for your motivation / morale, but I suspect it won't be a permanent improvement. Maybe you need to work at different areas of your life to make work seem slightly less important, and then you'll be able to cope with the situation you face yourself in. We do face a real tough time not just now, but in the next few years, as even more money will be removed from the budgets. But this is more than a job. It's a way of life. The friendships gained at work are powerful - and most other jobs don't have such strength (I'm thinking of the private sector). A few good cases, where the suspect is convicted and sent to prison always lightens my mood. Good luck - and thanks for sharing your feelings with us.
  10. Tim in the South

    Unavailable for Assessment Centre

    As mentioned, contact the force, and let them know that you're in the TA. There are always reasons why someone can't make it, and if it's a valid reason - such as you're going overseas with the TA - then usually the recruitment departments will take this into consideration. Did you let them know when you applied that you were in the TA and due to go on an exercise overseas at this time? You stated that this was planned before you knew the police were recruiting, so you could have let them know (you may have done this) when you submitted your application form.
  11. Tim in the South

    Higher Education

    At least 50% of officers that we've recruited in the last 5 years have a first degree. A few have LLB, a few have a master's degree, and a couple (at least) have a doctorate. Having a degree isn't essential (at the present time - but who knows what will the requirements be, in say, 2020). Most forces now demand the short course in policing (I can't recall the title of it) and some will then refund the fees if that person passes and joins. A degree doesn't help you to get in to the police. In my own force, for every 30 applicants, we accept just one person - that's because of the amount of interest in those who want to join. We expect candidates to show life experience - and the skills that reflect the competencies, together with evidence of how those life skills have been acquired / used. Many forces are also expecting future candidates to have been a special constable for some time. We all have our different views relating to that, but you gain some real insight into what policing is about by being a special (particularly if you're in a town, and dealing with the night time economy). An earlier poster suggested going to a good university (you can judge that by the RAE, QAA scores), and studying for a subject you really want to study. Even if you choose to go to Buckinghamshire University to study for a degree in policing, that is no guarantee that TVP will take you - even if you are the only one with that qualification. I have no data to support this - but I suspect that entry into the police will become much more difficult as time goes on.
  12. Tim in the South

    NEWS:RIP... CID:

    I'm pleased that Jackie Bowen is not my Fed Rep.
  13. Tim in the South

    My Road Rage

    What above site?
  14. Tim in the South

    Hello and help

    I'm not a Surrey officer - so will only give my view of how things happen in my force. You made a statement (not pressed charges). Were any suspects arrested? Did you provide written consent to the Police to contact the hospital where you were treated? Apart from CCTV, were there any other witnesses? Did you know the male who attacked you? A case such as this, if suspects were arrested and interviewed, requires the Crown Prosecution Service to make the decision (if it was GBH). CPS will be the ones who authorise a charge to be made. If it was ABH, we can do that. CCTV - the incident may not have been of sufficient quality to show the incident properly or the offenders. Sometimes the quality of the CCTV is so poor that we can not make out what happened, or identify the offender. As it has been three years since the incident, and I assume the offender was not charged with any offence relating to the assault on you, the case will have been closed. In my force, where a suspect has not been charged "no further action", we dispose of the CCTV and paperwork. We simply do not have sufficient storage facilities to keep all the tapes, paperwork, CCTV etc for every incident that happens. Surrey Police may have a similar policy. You should have been given the name of the officer investigating - so it may be worthwhile contacting that officer for an update.
  15. Tim in the South

    If you could carry an off-duty firearm....

    "You are assigned to an undercover unit where you will need to be armed. This post has nothing to do with the politics of being armed". To be a police officer armed, in this country, is a specialist role. The training is intense, and the ongoing training requires a substantial amount of time. The vast majority of police officers will not be expected to go undercover and be armed. Those of us who do go 'undercover' for strategic reasons will be specifically selected and trained for that purpose. To change it to an undercover role and be armed, changes the dynamics completely.