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  1. Jaydee

    Driving, during initial training

    Generally speaking in my force it was an average of 3 - 4 years before a class 3 (response) course would be offered. I am extremely fortunate and got one just shy of my 2 years in. It's a tough course though and definitely not a turn up and pass course, some would argue it's more stress than it's worth in the early days when you are still learning and completing SOLAP. The moment I passed my course that was it. Single crewed, grab some keys and go.... safe to say you find yourself flying by the seat of your pants! A lot of learning in a very short space of time. I wouldn't rush to grab that course though, when it comes you will know what it is to be truly bounced around from job to job! Course is great fun though!
  2. To begin with you need to consider the definition of harassment. Generally this would involve a continued course of conduct over more than one separate incident. If this is an isolated incident and the officer reasonably suspects you are likely to commit an offence then potentially it would not be unlawful to follow you. The test would be what is considered reasonable in the circumstances and what rationale the officer has for suspecting an offence. For example if I stop search somebody wandering around an area in the early hours and with appropriate grounds, I might suspect the person is in the area to commit crime. I find nothing during the search but I am still not happy. I can consider if the suspicion is sufficient to give me grounds for arrest anyway, or I may opt to monitor the individual for a period of time. This can be a disruption tactic to discourage the subject from committing an offence. It is of course worthy of mentioning when something becomes directed surveillance, this would require authorisation by a senior officer but depends on the circumstances. If the same officer is doing this on a regular basis then potentially you could argue harassment, then again it woild depend on the circumstances and officers rationale. If I stop and speak to a known burglar in the early hours in a burglary hotspot etc etc, I personally feel it is reasonable and in the public interest to keep an eye on that person at least for a period of time. As previously said though this is all subjective and every scenario is different. Everybody has a right to complain if they wish and if the officers behaviour is deemed to be inappropriate then they would be dealt with accordingly.
  3. Jaydee

    Suspect Interview?

    Absolutely you can. Statements are disclosed to the defense if the matter goes to court as well. It is completely down to you how much you choose to disclose or use during interview and sometimes it is about finding a balance. Sometimes you might even discuss elements of victim/witness statements during pre-interview disclosure if you feel it to be appropriate. I have also used the strategy of challenging suspects on parts of the victim or witnesses statement, only for them to call the victim / witness a liar. This of course opens up the possibility of introducing bad character evidence to your interview and opens up a can of worms sometimes that I have seen defense solicitors caught out by. You should NEVER disclose personal information relating to addresses etc however in interviews for obvious reasons. The name of the victim or witness can be mentioned and once again is disclosed to the defense if the matter is heard at court. A person cannot defend themselves against an allegation if they do not know what the allegation and as such under CPIA it is a requirement for all evidence to be disclosed eventually unless there is compelling reasons to withhold it.
  4. Jaydee

    Realities of policing

    The job is in some ways is what you make it. I say that in respect of how much of your life you let it consume, it is very easy to become completely taken over and the job controls your life. I think it's important to learn to put family first and remember the job is just that, a job.... how people deal with it is down to them really. That being said, sometimes you just have to get your head down and do what is needed and that may sometimes come at a sacrifice on your family life at times. Generally speaking when I have made an arrest I am relatively safe from the radio, that being said sometimes it does get extremely busy and I have to consider what needs to be done immediately and what can wait. Sometimes I will have to turn out from my paperwork and head to another call but we help each other out when we can. From my experience if I am tied up with something but I offer to pick something else up, colleagues will realise this and take it off my hands as much as they can. Sometimes work does pile up, however I always have the ethos of I can do only so much! If work doesn't get done then so be it, I have only so many hours in the day and if I am busy then I am busy. Time management however is an important skill you develop over time and you learn to prioritise work to stay in control. I am sure you can understand that there are some instances I rather not discuss for a variety of reasons. You will see and experience some pretty dreadful things at times and sometimes the last thing you want to do is re-live them later down the line, that being said you will pretty much always 'bebrief" afterwards, even if that's just with colleagues in the form of a bit if banter or a chat. One shift that does stand out though as being first on scene to a large explosion. I had just been signed off and I genuinely thought it was a bomb at the time. The place was decimated and I found myself searching for casualties in a badly damaged building, to say I was shitting myself is an understatement but hey what can you do. I was down to work 17:00 - 03:00 and I think it was nearly 09:00 when I finally packed my gear away for the night... safe to say that wasn't an easy shift! Stress is a big issue in the Police, probably one of the leading issues but a lot of people won't speak out about it much. I think a lot of us do this because it is what we truly want to do and that helps to keep you going. Work loads can be very high and you sometimes feel like you are being asked to do something that you simply haven't got the time to do. Everybody deals with this differently and some people will eventually crack, while others seem to be able to deal with it but it's still a huge issue. I have known officers succumb to stress related issues through work, but everybody is different and they have different circumstances. You do need to be mentally resilient to begin with and able to handle stress well. It all sounds doom and gloom I know but for me the positives outweigh negatives of the job. I think if you can learn to deal and accept the negatives of the role then you can enjoy the many positives that still exist!
  5. Jaydee

    Realities of policing

    Woah lots of questions there! To put things in perspective, I am coming to the end of my probation and therefore there is a lot of the job I haven't experienced yet! Assaults do happen, it's hard to really know how often as there are so many departments, sections, BCU's etc. Quite often a colleague on another section could be assaulted and unless it's particularly serious I would never know. Personally I have had a few scrapes, including somebody trying to spit at me and generally lashing out but I have yet (fingers crossed) to be injured. I have however assisted colleagues who have been assaulted and one of them was quite serious, this was during my tutor phase. Assaults are certainly common though. Single crewing is the norm on my section. Generally we will put out maybe two double crewed cars and everybody else is single crewed and this includes nights. I recently passed my standard response driving course so I am flying solo, so to speak, the vast majority of the time. Work/life balance is always going to be a difficult issue, unless of course you are young and have no family commitments. I have a wife and child at home, my wife is also a serving Police Officer and that does cause some issues with regards to childcare. That is something we are currently trying to deal with but the job has been pretty good at being flexible when I have needed it, I have however used A LOT of my annual leave to cover it as well. The job does require you to work all sorts of hours, they will cancel rest days and you will be kept on duty when required. This can sometimes be an absolute pain in the arse and sometimes you will miss out on family engagements etc, especially when the wheels come off and something big happens. I have a reasonable balance at the moment but it's still taking some tweaking, it is better than it was 6 months ago though when the shifts changed and they were dreadful. Paperwork is a huge issue, you will do it a lot and you need to do it properly to avoid landing yourself in trouble. How much depends entirely on the incident and if you have any help or not. An average arrest for me would involve my statement, witness/victim statements, creating a crime report, creating a file and then dealing with exhibits, CCTV and any use of force forms etc. This can take a good few hours at the very least and some jobs will tie you up for the rest of the shifts. It's not just arrests that require lots of paperwork either, sudden deaths will generally keep you busy for a good few hours with statements and general paperwork. It's part of the job and unfortunately that isn't going to change any time soon, you get used to it though and with experience you get quicker. I started with a class of 19 officers. At this stage all 19 of us are being signed off our probation and everybody seems reasonably happy, we are getting courses now so we are starting to expand our skills. I am aware of a small minority of officers who didn't like it and left or returned to their old posts within the organisation and I know of 1 reg 13 dismissal. Generally speaking the majority of new officers I speak to are quite optimistic and enjoy the job, albeit in spite of some pretty big negatives. Shift work depends on you as an individual, some people dread it and hate it with an unbridled passion. Personally I don't mind it and I actually enjoy the night shift. The nights do take their toll on you at times, especially if you don't finish on time but you do get used to it. Postings depend on your force really. Larger forces may be more problematic for commuting times but from my experience they do take your location in to account. I was asked if I had any specific welfare issues that would need to be taken in to consideration for my final posting. I told them that I wanted a specific BCU for childcare reasons so I can work near to my wife and I was given the area I wanted. I do know others didn't get the areas they wanted but sometimes swaps are available with other officers. Ultimately though you sign up knowing that you could be posted anywhere and the job can disregard your circumstances if they choose to do so. I know a lot of people are disillusioned with the job, I can see why as well. We are short on numbers and the workload is increasing. The lack of numbers ultimately means you will be kept on duty more often, particularly on lates in my experience, and you will find yourself being bounced around all shift without a break quite often. I love my job, but it's not for everyone and it is getting tougher and tougher with the current economic climate. If you aren't sure, there is nothing to stop you joining and giving it a go. It isn't difficult to leave if you don't like it, however the job do invest time and money in to you and there are lots of people who really want to get in. It's down to you if you still fancy it but the only way to truly know is to have a crack at it. Best of luck
  6. Jaydee

    Worried About Starting Probation

    The Met sounds like it does things slightly differently to what I have experienced. I am coming to the end of my two years probation now. Following basic training I was assigned a tutor constable on a patrol block, I remained with my tutor for 10 weeks to pick up the basics. Once I was signed off I was deemed "fit for independent patrol", don't get me wrong though I still felt like I knew very little! As I was a non-driver I was double crewed every shift anyway and every cop I worked with was brilliant. Everybody knew that I was a probie and they always gave me advice and guidance whenever I needed it. Following another 15 weeks on response I moved to other departments as part of my probation, those being a tactical team and an investigation team. I just recently passed my standard response course so I am a driver and now I am fully on my own. It's something I am still getting used to but I am surprised how much I have managed to pick up over the past 18 months or so! You will feel overwhelmed at times and that is absolutely normal, you will never be judged for it! Your colleagues will know that you are new and they will remember when they stood in your shoes. Try not to get too worked up about it, the best thing you can do is listen and learn at every opportunity you get. If you are not sure or something doesn't feel right then ask somebody, you won't be criticised for seeking guidance unless of course it's something you should have picked up before. It will take time before your confidence will start to build and there will be jobs that will shatter that confidence sometimes, it's all about how you bounce back and how you reflect on your mistakes. Have a good time and remember that your colleagues have all been there once, they will support you as long as you show willing to work! Good luck!
  7. Jaydee

    Is it worth it??

    I am coming towards the end of my probation now and it really is subjective. I wanted this job since I was very young and personally I love it. That being said it can be really frustrating, stressful and sometimes very boring! The shifts take some getting used to but if you already have an active social life you should be able to continue this. Sure you will work some weekends but it all balances out and you will make new friends in the job as well who are in the same boat. Paperwork? Now that is something you have to be prepared to do and do it often! A colleague told me that three things in the job will land you in trouble if not done properly and that is property, prisoners and paperwork. For all the fun you may end up having you will need to write it up well, it might be the one thing that saves you if a complaint is made against you. The level of stress depends on the department you work on. If you work on response you are under constant pressure to get to grade 1 calls and deal with them quickly, that being said in my force you won't have a workload so once you go off duty that is it for the day (or night). However, some departments are slower paced but carry the stress of very high workloads, which is the case for the department I am currently working in. Day to day I am not rushed around to get to calls, but I have a workload that will increase and I have to stay on top of it and that can be stressful. It is normal to feel some level of apprehension as this job is a step in to the unknown for most people. A lot of ex cops or soon to retire cops wouldn't join again because this job isn't the same as the one they signed up to. Ultimately you have to decide if a career with the Police is something you really want. If you want it then dive in with both feet and work hard, you will learn quickly and experience things you can't anywhere else. Make no mistakes it's a tough job and the current economic climate makes it tougher still but it's down to how bad you want it. All the best!
  8. Jaydee

    Police phone call

    It sounds like you have reported a domestic incident. In these circumstances most forces would require the officer dealing with the report to complete a risk assessment form. The name varies from force to force so I won't bore you with the details, however the questions are largely similar wherever you go. The initial questions are around the individuals involved, this will include questions around who is your GP and this is the same for any children who live at the address. Then some information will be inputted to give a proper risk assessment score and will include details of the incident and any past behaviour. As for children is it usually a requirement to ascertain their details including doctors surgery and school. It doesn't necessarily mean any referrals will be sent out, it however gives the Police the opportunity to identify areas of concern and warn relevant partner agencies, which include social services and the school. Rest assured the questions are completely uniform across all manner of domestic incidents and don't mean an automatic referral is coming. It is all about protecting you and your children and identifying potential risk.
  9. Jaydee

    Does reality of job change your outlook?

    Yes it does change the way you view a lot of things. You will be exposed to things you never knew even happened or only ever saw on television or read in books. You will see and deal with some absolutely abhorrent and horrendous things/people/situations, but you will also see some things that will give you laughs for many years to come. Sometimes it can be hard to maintain a positive outlook on society in general, I am past a year in now and even with my previous CSO experience I find myself thinking the worst of people because of my experiences as a PC. Your colleagues will always carry you through and when you do get a good result for a genuine member of the public it feels brilliant, you won't forget it! Your world view WILL change and you will become less trusting of people. You will also have some bloody good laughs and have a chance to do things that most others will never be able to do. The main thing I can suggest is remember that your family, friends and colleagues will make a huge difference and that can make or break you. I wish you the very best of luck and I am sure you will have a great time (most of the time!)
  10. GOWISELY is hammered in to us all when it comes to searching, particularly it seems to be mentioned when discussing S.1 PACE (which of course must be in a public place. S.23 MDA is fair game to us anytime and anywhere if the grounds exist, there is no specific mention of public or private places mentioned in the legislation. Of course S.19 PACE is one to be aware of as you must be lawfully on the premises in order to physically seize anything, I presume if you are in a position to search somebody then you are lawfully on the premises.
  11. You can only handcuff to prevent injury or escape. If you are going to throw the bracelets on anybody you should be prepared to justify it. Personally I don't always handcuff, on some occasions it has actually kept the situation calm. If I feel uncomfortable then it is for a reason, that reason is my justification for handcuffing.
  12. That sounds like a really unusual way of doing things. Which force are you with if you don't mind answering? My tutor period was 10 weeks (final week was actually back at the assessor unit and not operational and the first week I wasn't in because of bank holidays etc.) We where all allocated a dedicated tutor for this period, if for whatever reason your tutor is not available for a shift of a period of time you would work with another colleague. It is good to work with different officers to see how they work as every officer is different. I don't like the idea of constantly changing during the tutor phase though! I am sure you will do just fine in the end though, the first few weeks are pretty tough on anybody!
  13. I presume you mean you can't search the premises following arrest under S.32 for summary offences. A search of the offender following arrest is fine for any offence, only searching a premises under S.32 requires it to be indictable. But yeah if an offence is triable either way it is indictable.
  14. Jaydee


    You will start on patrol. The shift pattern will almost certainly have changed by the time you go out after training. Recently we changed to the new functional model. Instead of running 5 blocks A to E, we now have 5 blocks which are split further in to sub-blocks. We now work a 25 week rolling shift pattern, quite frankly it's almost impossible to really keep track of it. I haven't worked a night shift in over a month, however I am now working a lot more nights for the next few weeks. Early shifts can be anything from a 0600 to 0900 start. Afternoons from 1200 to 1900 start and nights are the usual 2100 or 2200 start. Shifts are usually 10 hours in duration but there are some variations to that now. This is a brand new system and it seems unlikely that it will remain in this format, unfortunately you won't have any idea what pattern you will work until near the end of your training I imagine. Best of luck!
  15. The CSO role is so varied from area to area though, it also depends on how you like to work. It is a great way to gather experience to become a cop though, it definitely helped me when it comes to having the confidence to deal with people in a Policing context and I would go back and do it all over again if I had to. I don't know much about the prison service on the other hand. I am sure you will see me around on the Wirrral, I am all over the place at the moment so who knows maybe we will bump in to each other.