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Everything posted by nigeltm

  1. Slight correction. The legislation applies to possessing bladed/sharp articles in a public place. Your home or any other private property to which the public do not normally have access is not considered to be a public place. You can have just about any kind of sword on display on your living room wall. Also, swords and other bladed or pointed objects can be carried in a public place if you have a reasonable excuse/good cause. For example, if you have to collect a sword from the post office/courier depot when it is posted to you if you are a re-enactor going to or from an event/meeting/military fair to take the item to another location/shop for repair taking a machete/bushcraft knife/axe to a camp or meet any folding and non locking knife with a cutting edge of less than 3" and so on As long as you're not waving it around like a fool or posing a threat to others you should be in the clear.
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    airsoft vs airguns vs replica weapons

    A week ago I bought a Swiss Arms M92 gas blow back air pistol (http://www.gunstar.co.uk/Air-Pistols/Swiss-Arms-M92-gun-for-sale-gs143038.aspx) from a model shop in Cardiff. It is an all metal construction replica of a Beretta 92 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_92). The air pistol fires 4.5mm steel BBs (.177 cal). It takes 20 BBs and a 12g carbondioxide canister in the magazine. In operation the top slide cycles. When fired there is a loud bang as the gas escapes and a cloud of CO2 is expelled around the pistol. So to most it could appear to be a real pistol being discharged I'm not an airsofter. All I needed was photo ID with address (drivers licence). Due to the energy of the BBs it is classed as an air pistol/firearm, not a toy or airsoft weapon. As such it's not covered by the RFID legislation. So as long as I don't wander down the street waving it around and follow the legislation re it's use I'm goo to go for some fun backyard plinking :-)
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    What guns are legal?

    Hi George. Yes, precharged air guns are legal in the uk. You can get rifles and pistols that are manually pressurised, recharged from a tank (paintball markers fall in this group) or run from a co2 bulb. The legislation regarding air guns requires the projecile and gas source to be separate. A good example of what is prohibited is the Crossman Orion pistol. It was a revolver where the pellet was fitted in to a "bullet casing" which was also pressurised. This made them quick and easy to reload. IIRC you could buy quickloaders for them. They were covered by the legislation as the propellant and power source were in the same "shell" (sorry, can't think of the right term!). Hope this helps.
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    What guns are legal?

    Quick clarification. You can own certain revolvers and other multiple shot pistols. There are restrictions on overall length and ammunition types. More info on the link below: https://www.shootingshow.co.uk/Go-Shooting-Pistols.html
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    NEWS:April Jones Murder:

    Good, I hope the sentencing is appropriate and he rots in prison in fear of the other inmates for the rest of his life. Her family have to live with his actions. The impact goes beyond her family. A number of friends and I were on the search from Tuesday the 2nd to Sunday the 7th as our mountain rescue team was one of the first deployed. A couple of the guys have had personal issues and have received counselling as they have had issues following the search. Finding and having to open a discarded bin bag that doesn't smell right is not as pleasant experience. I normally avoid condolences threads but in this case: RIP April. Sorry we couldn't bring you home.
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    GPS tags for dementia patients

    Forget the cost. I look at it from the perspective that if they go missing they can be found quickly and made safe. I've been on a few searches for dementia sufferers. Over the past few years these searches have become formed a larger part of the callouts the more rural/lowland mountain rescue teams are asked to attend. Teams have been on searches which have lasted all night and the misper is found the next day severly hypothermic, or even dead. My mother needs 24hr care at home following a stroke. She has dementia like episodes. If she was mobile and as fit as some dementia patients (in one case the misper was a very healthy 74yr old who didn't come back from her regular hill walk in the Beacons) I would have bought something like this myself.
  7. I don't have a legal background. I'm a project manager specialising in computer mapping systems. In my free time I'm the secretary of a mountain rescue team and I take part in operational callouts. So I don't have the background to judge another posters argument. I rely on the appropriately trained bods on here for that and both sides of the discussion that debate the issue. In this case the poster (or a poster on another thread) MAY be difficult, stubborn or just and argumentative fool (I'm not making the claim in this case). However, RBMs posts do quote legislation and to the untrained seem to be reasonable questions. When the responses are frustrated and descend to name calling it makes RBM look like the victim. perception is reality and in this case (like so many others over the past year or so) my perception is that the forum is degenerating in to a boys club. If you don't accept every statement made by a long term member as gospel then you are hounded and abused until you give up. I've been on this forum for a few years and from my perspective it has gone downhill. I'm happy to discuss my opinions later if anyone wants a reasoned debate :-)
  8. While I don't have anything vested in this thread I do think RBM should be allowed to argue/discuss the issue if they think they have a valid reason to challenge the points raised by other posters. This forum is a fantastic opportunity for MOPs to raise questions and learn. If they misunderstand and think they have a valid point then educate them. If you put forward a reasonable and logical rebuttal then RBM is put right, a lesson is learned and you don't look like a petty, name calling child (as has been the case with some of the posts on here). The laws in this country are complex and often require cross referencing, with a heavy reliance on the interpretation of a phrase or individual word. If someone posts a challenge you can counter it with seasoned argument. If you don't you can give an impression of a pack mentality. This discourages new members and drives away old ones.
  9. Going equipped is a catch all charge that could be applied to just about any item. I was discussing carrying a knife in my mountain rescue kit with a friend who is a serving officer and we got on to multitools. Despite my Leatherman being exempt under Sect 139 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988 (nonlocking folding blade of less than 3"), he would still arrest for going equipped. It may be difficult to prove intent and so not be taken forward by the CPS but the arrest alone could cause problems (CRB checks, entry to USA). Using going equipped as an excuse causes a lack of trust in the Police.
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    If you could carry an off-duty firearm....

    Hi GeorgeH Not to take the thread further off topic I'll drop you a PM. Hi everyone else, This thread stared of as a hypothetical discussion that was intended to ignore British law. It was to be a technical/practical discussion on what those familiar with firearms would carry, how and why. I would have expected that anyone without experience of pistols would have stayed out of the discussion as they didn't have anything useful to contribute. OK, the phrase "off-duty firearm" is an American term that doesn't apply to the UK as (other than NI) officers aren't allowed off-duty firearms. Putting that aside, it was an honest attempt to stimulate a discussion. On that basis it could have been interesting and useful to some of the members on here. Instead the usual comments cropped up and derailed the thread. Do the members who did this realise that you are bringing this forum down? I've spoken to members who are reluctant to post on threads as they are afraid of having their contributions ridiculed. Some have even considered leaving the forum. You are stifling discussion and slowly killing this forum. If you have something useful to contribute then go ahead and post. If you don't just step away from the keyboard and let the grown-ups talk. So for now I'm done on this thread and I'll think long and hard about posting on any other. Nigel.
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    If you could carry an off-duty firearm....

    Hi GeorgeH,I hope it DOESN'T become a political debate! That's already been done to death on here. :-) I have a real interest in what the experienced guys would opt for. I may be working in some pretty dicey countries where I would be expected to carry a pistol. So the opinions of those with some experience of pistols would be useful. From what has been posted so far it and what I've read elsewhere it seems the criteria are: - compact so easily concealed and comfortable to carry for for long periods - reasonably accurate, as most engagements would be expected to be at close range - no external safety, so its quicker and easier to bring in to action - reasonable magazine capacity, to reduce the need to change magazines during an engagement (difficult to do under pressure without a lot of practice and muscle memory) - sits easily in the hand and has an angle between grip and barrel that encourages natural sighting/aim - reliable, so less likelyhood of a stoppage - frangible or hollow point ammunition to increase the likelyhood of a knock down and reduce the risk to others All in all the Glock seems to be the preferred choice so far.
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    If you could carry an off-duty firearm....

    Hi SimonT.I asked about ammo as it was part of GeorgeH's original question in the first post. I guess a frangible or expanding round makes sense. It would reduce the risk of passing through the target and the sudden energy dump has a higher likelyhood of a single round knock down. Also (as mentioned in another post) it's less likely to pass through walls and obstructions. Which reduces the risk of injury to bystanders and anyone out of sight. I can't think of many situations where you'd want a Hollywood gunfight with magical magazines and random blasting at the guy behind the wall! Thanks, Nigel.
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    If you could carry an off-duty firearm....

    But what rounds would you load? FMJ, expanding, cored?Details, man, details!
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    If you could carry an off-duty firearm....

    <RANT> With all respect guys, this discussion is going the way of pretty much all firearms threads. "If it isn't legal ..." "We are not the USA ..." "I'd resign ..." "If my force doesn't issue ..." "Obsessed by guns ..." So threads that could be of interest to those of us on here who want a balanced discussion were derailed by bickering and micky taking. It gets boring after a while, portrays the whole forum in a bad light and doesn't do us any favours. No, I'm not obsessed and I'm not a Moxinil sockpuppet. But I am interested in firearms and sport shooting and more importantly I may have a job lined up where I will work extensively in some pretty dangerous areas where I will probably have to carry a firearm for personal protection (after suitable training and regular practice). So for me this thread may be very useful. Unfortunately the usual suspects are coming here and making the obligatory bone comments and derailing the whole thing. Fair enough, Moxinil was a one trick pony and bit every time someone made even the slightest comment. But can't you see that some of you guys are the same, turning every theoretical, "what if" discussion in to the same pointless round of comment and lame jokes. If you're not interested in the subject, don't read the thread. If you have an issue with the member, put them on ignore. If you disagree with some of the posts but its the same argument all over again don't bother posting and leave the discussion. Sorry for the long post but I enjoy the discussion on here but don't get involved as much as I used to because there is a growing culture here where if you disagree you become a target. It's not big, its not funny, it stifles discussion and its starting to lose us members. So, the question was, legality and cultural differences aside, what model of handgun would you carry while off duty and what would be your reasons for your choice? Also, what ammunition would you choose? </RANT> PS: thanks to the guys who have made a meaningful contribution to the thread. You're comments are useful and have been informative.
  15. nigeltm

    Would Police prosecute ?

    No. That decision is up to the CPS Come on Kenners. You've been on here long enough not to make a rookie mistake!
  16. Your story sounds so familiar. I was married and suffered emotional abuse for years for the sake of our children. I recognise now that for years I did not have the confidence and emotional strength to walk away. Over time the abuse and her behaviour became more anymore extreme. I have scars on my face to prove it. We divorced when the girls were 10 and 8 years old. That was 7 years ago and looking back now I wish we had broken up earlier! Staying together for my daughter's was wrong. As marralass has said, your daughter is being adversely affected living in a dysfunctional household. Today both of my daughters have emotional and anger issues due to the arguments they witnessed and the behaviour they learned in the home. I blame myself for not making the break sooner but I did not have the confidence and strength for much too long. Whatever happens your daughter will suffer. All you can do is minimise the damage. My advice? - See a solicitor NOW!!! - Arrange a court order preventing your daughter being taken out of the country. - Keep a diary of the abuse and (if it becomes violent) photos of any injuries. - Try to record conversations and arguments as evidence. - Plan to leave the family home. - See a solicitor NOW!! (it's worth saying this twice) - Be strong for your daughter's sake. If you do the right thing for your daughter it will be the most difficult and painful thing you are likely to do in your life. I only wish I had had the strength and advice to have done it sooner. Today both my girls live with me. It's hard as on top of the teenage hormones and general bitchyness of teen girls we have the arguments and behavioural issues left over from the relationship. It's difficult as Hell. I doubt myself most days and sometimes cry when I'm alone but it is worth it as my kids deserve the best I can give them (even if I want to wring their necks at times!). Good luck.
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    What would you do?

    If he's been issued his warrant card then hasn't he completed his training? So this is an off duty copper (regular or special) who is aware of a crime. So, report or arrest?
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    Why don`t you catch REAL criminals?

    I may be wrong but I think OTS's original point was that if you decriminalise the drugs and set up a regulated, quality controlled and taxed distribution system you remove the criminal element from the supply network. Think alcohol and tobacco. Ok, you will still get addicts and drug drivers but by making the social use of the drugs more acceptable (to be frank, it already is in many parts of society) you reduce the related crime and addicts may have a better support structure to help them with their problems. But ... You still get booze cruises. Counterfeit vodka and Chinese cigarettes are smuggled in to the country and other associated problems. These may be criminal acts but they are widely accepted by the public. So you would still have criminal and social issues. Another but ... At least with a government managed/authorised distribution system it would be a reduced level of criminality. As for the "victimless crime" idea, more and more today legislation is used to reduce risk. If someone drinks and drives home without incident then there is no victim but they have committed crimes. Not wearing a seatbelt is similar. The difference is the risk caused by a drunk driver is the death of an other road user, while the risk of not wearing a seatbelt is to the driver. I think things are going too far down the "prevent by restriction" route. Rather than make the punishment for an action a real deterrent there is more reliance on criminalizing an activity in the first place. Sadly this is often ineffective and is for political purposes only.
  19. Sorry for the long post but this is a bit of a big subject! I'm a MOP and I have four daughters. My opinions (for what they are worth!) are based on what I would want them to have and be able to do should they be attacked. Personal alarms - useful to carry but of limited use. They may scare the attacker a bit but if you are in a secluded area (which should be avoided if possible) or the attacker is determined/drunk/high they would probably be ignored. Another function of the alarm is a call for help, for which they are pointless. How many people ignore car alarms? These aren't much different. The danger of this type of alarm is that it could give you false confidence. You could feel safe and end up putting yourself at greater risk. Marker/dye sprays - these are a deterrent and very useful for identifying the attacker after the fact. During the act they are of limited use. If you threaten the attacker they may back off as they know they'd be identifiable. If they've already been sprayed then they have nothing to lose so may as well finish the job. Then you have the attacker who wouldn't give a damn about being identified/caught and will assault you regardless. A marker spray will do nothing to stop the most dangerous attacker. If you are lucky you may spray their eyes and temporarily blind them, giving you a chance to run. This is pretty much the upper limit in the UK but in my opinion it is not enough. As my daughters are growing up I’ll buy them these sprays but I’d like them to have the option to have something more effective. Pepper/CS sprays - The public should be allowed to carry this type of spray. Unlike the marker spray in most cases it can incapacitate the attacker, giving you the opportunity to run. It may also be useful in identifying the attacker if they go to A&E for treatment. Combined pepper/dye sprays - the best of both worlds as they buy you time and identify the attacker. Batons - with proper training these can be very useful. If you have the chance to deploy before the attack they can be a very visible and effective deterrent. The attacker may back off. If deployed during the attack they can be very effective weapons, disabling or restraining the attacker. I would carry some form of baton if I was allowed. Knives - these are a bloody silly choice of defensive weapon. If you haven’t got a lot of training you’re just as likely to hurt yourself as you would the attacker. They could have some intimidation value but as soon as you start swinging one in anger you’re really in trouble. I think the current law on the use of knives is appropriate for the UK. The problem is the wide and varied implementation of the law as has been discussed in numerous other threads on here. Stun guns - again, training is important and these can be effective. This would be my absolute upper limit. Pistols - in the UK with our relatively low level of gun crime I think carrying a handgun for personal defence is excessive. If I was in the USAI would apply for a carry licence as the risk is higher. Slightly off topic, I enjoy shooting and would like to own a pistol for recreational purposes. The knee jerk firearms legislation in the UK has done little to curb gun crime but it did make people feel safe and gather in a lot of votes! Improvised weapons - hairspray/pens/umbrellas and all the other bits and pieces you can press in to service can be useful. That is as long as you can justify instant arming and can avoid the “intent” aspect of an off weapon charge! I have discussed this with my girls and I’ve encouraged them to think about what they have with them and consider how they can be used. I would like my daughters to be able to carry a stun gun and be properly trained in its use as I think this gives them the best chance. In reality it’ll probably never be allowed. Looking at it realistically the best I could hope for is the pepper/dye spray. I agree with Moxnil that the “if the public is allowed then criminals will …” argument is redundant. Criminals already have access to firearms, knives, stun guns and all manner of nasty kit. They already have the advantage. The least we should have is the opportunity to level the playing field.
  20. Maybe it is to understand their side of the case if it isn't clear? Rather than have an issue with their position it may turn out you agree. Or by explaining their position they change your mind and you find yourself agreeing with them. At the end of the day this would be a very uninteresting forum if people made bold statements and didn't engage in conversation! I'm with Moxnil in this. I think it would be useful to hear what people think should be allowed in the UK and why. A bland "it's legal to carry ..." statement without discussing why is pointless in the context of this thread. It stifles the discussion and puts people off contributing their opinions as they don't want to get embroiled in a silly tit for tat. Give me 10 minutes and I'll post up my opinions.
  21. nigeltm

    Pistol Shooting

    .22 target pistols are concealable, can kill and look scary. <SARCASM> Of course they should have been banned! </SARCASM> It was a typical example of political polpularism being driven by media hysteria and public fear/ignorance. The legislation behind the banning of handguns, centerfire semi-automatic rifles, dangerous dogs and the new legislation being introduced in Wales on dogs out of control in private places (you could be charged if your dog bites a burglar!) have all been short sighted and intended to make people FEEL safe.
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    I also forgot to mention that semi-automatic rifles and shotguns are allowed in the UK. You are not limited to firearms that require you to manually load rounds between firing. Full auto and burst fire firearms are not permitted. Bolt action, over/under, pump action and semi-automatic shotguns are allowed in the UK. Although they are limited to 3 shells in the magazine. Also you are allowed to have shotguns with detachable 3 round magazines. And yes, I consider hunting to be a sport, but only if the animal is eaten. Hunting is not a sport but is necessary for controlling vermin and culling but that is for land and environmental management.
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    Sorry tehguy but you are wrong. Certain handguns are allowed. You cannot own a handgun that uses a cartridge containing primer, propellant and projectile. In simple terms, you are limited to muzzle loaders only. Even the Crossman Orion style air pistol revolvers are banned. You can also own magazine fed rifles. The Ruger 10/22 is very common in the UK. It is a .22 rimfire rifle which uses a 10 round magazine. I believe you can customise the Ruger and other rifles are available which take higher capacity magazines. With regard to caliber, it is surprising that you can own a wide variety in the UK. The captain of the rifle club I used to be a member was looking in to adding a .50 rifle to.his certificate. Finally, with regard to competition, there is a shooting competition circuit in the UK. While not seeking publicity (and often fighting public hostility/ignorance) there are a number of rifle clubs across the UK. There are regular informal and organised competitions between the clubs. Local army cadet groups often take part in competitions between groups. In the UK our closest equivalent to the Camp Perry competition is held at Bisley. Below is a link to the UK's NRA website listing competitions in 2013. http://www.nra.org.uk/common/asp/calendar/events.asp?site=NRA&type=comp Hope this helps.
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    Even witnesses make off without stopping...

    It's depressingly common these days. Two weeks so I wrote off my car after being blinded by another driver's high beams. I demolished the steel/concrete fence and ended up 10' down an embankment. The car behind me.drove past as well as a further 5 cars, even though I was stood at the side of a road with no footpath in the middle of nowhere at 6pm in the dark. Eventually a couple of trumpton's finest coming off shift and a paramedic going to work stopped to check on the strange man at the side of the road. To them go my eternal thanks. To the restof them? I think you can guess!
  25. Just to point out that only Police, Ambo and Fire get exemptions. Mountain Rescue, Coast Guard and the rest don't. As far as I know the legislation should allow us to but ACPO don't interperate it the same so we don't. I think there may be limited exemptions under the Section 19 amendments when they come in. We'll see.