Breaking News: POLICE PENSIONS 4/9/12
Posted 09 September 2012 - 03:44 PM
To those thinking of changing their pension plans, our federation put something on our force intranet last week which said that tax and NI contributions would both increase if you withdrew from the current schemes and that taking that into account withdrawing may account for savings of about only 50% of current contributions. Don't know if thats just scaremongering to keep money going into the pot but might be worth checking out.
Posted 09 September 2012 - 04:35 PM
So if you paid £300 a month, you would be taxed £120 straight away.
And your NI contribution would be more as well.
A colleague of mine stopped paying his pension, when he had completed 30 years.
He only gained about £160.
I would take financial advice before pulling out of the scheme.
Posted 11 September 2012 - 06:18 PM
Aren't people interested in the shafting other sites are doing their nuts joining together and making plans.This site seems dead around major life changing more the worse events.
Posted 14 September 2012 - 09:25 AM
the federation does have many failings and needs a good kick up the backside but they are only a representative body people need to understand that. if every officer was in the fed and took a active interest in what is going on then they would have more chance of influencing HMG and ACPO but people in general and the police are no different it seems want someone else to do the work for them.
Yes there are other internet site where people are making big noises its very easy to be big brave and bold on a internet forum where you are anonymous can say what you want without having to prove or back up your arguments
leaving the fed or the pension a individual choice but each has more benefits than the latest headline arguments i would seriously advise anyone to take some independent advice before leaving either and not base decisions on parade room bravado.
Posted 14 September 2012 - 01:18 PM
INDUSTRIAL RIGHTS – BALLOT
It is JCC policy to hold a ballot of all members on the issue of whether they wish the Police Federation of England and Wales to obtain Industrial Rights. As a result the JCC has undergone a tendering process for pollsters, sought the necessary legal advice and pulled together a raft of literature aimed at assisting the education process. The attached information sheet which has been prepared as part of that process.
At 6pm on Monday, 17 September, at an extraordinary meeting of the JCC, a ballot date will be agreed.
Police officers are officers of the Crown and as such are reliant on having their terms of service negotiated upon. In recent times rushed and ill-considered reforms of their conditions of service have left officers feeling that the uniqueness by which they exist is being eroded.
Importantly; the Police are not against reform or taking their share in times of economic hardship but the manner, speed and burden of responsibility has caused many to feel the police are taking more than their fair share.
If the Police Service is to have industrial rights and no longer retaining the unique role of officers of the Crown, this will require legislative changes in Europe.
After the ballot date has been set, it is incumbent upon all members to ensure the Police Federation has the correct contact details and that they have read all the Police Federation Of England and Wales supporting material aimed at ensuring voters are doing so from an intelligent and informed position.
In coming weeks to support this process of education, the JCC will be heading out to the Regions and JBB Representatives will be on hand to deal with enquiries as they arise.
Please be aware of the sensitivities around this piece of work and how it may be perceived by both the public and our members at this time. We urge you all to become fully aware of all the facts in this extremely important matter.
Paul Mckeever & Steve Williams
Posted 14 September 2012 - 01:47 PM
Posted 14 September 2012 - 02:04 PM
What difference does the crown servant or employee make in reality?
If Winsor 2 comes in with compulsory severance available for Chiefs to wield we are no different really
I'm not advocating we have them at all but we need to at least look at them as many members of the fed are demanding it
Posted 14 September 2012 - 04:20 PM
I also see where the value of being a crown servant doesnt seem to be very obvious at the moment, what with us being hammered left and right. But if we lose that and become just employees then it would be hard to argue that anyone could be trained to do what we do, or only do little bits of what we do and the group4 gates get thrown wide open. Although our pension has been badly hit, its still just about the best one that anyone can get so people saying they will jump ship need to pause before they do it.
I just dont think that being able to strike is the giant killer that everyone would hope, and even if we all vote 100 percent for strike powers the government can just say 'dont care you cant have it' So all the bridge burning we do to the fed will have been for no reason
Posted 14 September 2012 - 04:27 PM
“This raises concerns in how we move forward in building bridges as well as taking our members with us. It was suggested that an event was organised at the house of commons and privately have discussions. The organisation needs to be strong enough to admit the treatment was inappropriate.
Summary of action to be taken
1. Chair will telephone Home Secretary
2. Chairman and General Secretary will meet with Home Secreatary ASAP
3. Meal organised, Chair and Secretarys rank committees to meet with home secretary
4. MP reception will be organised after discussion with communications team and chair out of the meeting.”
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